By - TrashClear483
Who believes this stuff?
your mom. being real for a second if Russia was doing anywhere close to well Ukraine would be gone already. It's not so they aren't. pretty reasonable. as for the numbers who gives a fuck Russia is many times larger than Ukraine but can't seem to dominate like it should. :shrug:
The problem with your point is that you assume that they’re either crushing the Ukrainians or losing horribly badly and having 81k soldiers dead
It’s not black or white, they’re doing really bad (almost 3 months now) but 81k deaths looks greatly exaggerated.
Ukraine also claimed they shot down like 31 jets on week 1 and didn’t admit the ghost of Kiev wasn’t real until like a month ago. You can’t trust a word they say .
They literally tweeted about him….
I’m cringing at your justification tbh
Nobody with iq above 50 belived Ghost of Kiev lol. Just do the avarage of what Ukrainians and russians claim and u should have most accurate numbers.
ghost of kiev was propaganda to boost morale
everyone knew that
This is backed up by other countries governments too, russia meanwhile is claiming to have only lost 2.5k - 4k troops, so I wouldn't really call them credible either lmao.
Yes Russian propaganda is real and I don’t trust them either but isn’t that a given? I’m simply saying Ukraine is a lying sack of shit too. About everything, not just this.
Other parties estimates of russian losses are considerably closer to Ukraines than Russias. I don't believe everything Ukraine says, but they are still more credible.
Lol yeah way more credible. Their president is a comedian that wears Star Wars gear on May 4th in the midst of his country being destroyed. Find me a non-nato, truly unbiased source that confirms your statement.
its bullshit numbers, the afghan war caused 14,453 total deaths in the soviet side including those who later died from their wounds, that over 9 YEARS and soviets could barely keep people from going antiwar in a dictatorship
if these numbers were real putin would be already hanging from a lamp post, its all bullshit
The “leak” were just hackers putting fake numbers on their website. Ukrainians have been claiming 20k dead Russians ever since the beginning of March. They just make up new numbers every other day and idiots like you believe them
I mean MOD of Russian confirmed casualties about month ago. How come you are expert in Russian casualties, but you didn't hear about that one?
Rip to your comment :(
No such thing happened
On 25 March, Russia's Ministry of Defence confirmed that 1,351 Russian soldiers had been killed in combat, with another 3,825 being injured
5k casualties in first month
by linear approximation (Sure linear approximation is flawed, but is best we have) that is 15k so far.
and those 5k confirmed are only from Russian army, not from Luwanda or Donbabwe, who have much worse equipment and training.
Known shenanigans by Russians as under reporting or not recognizing crew of Moscow as victims of war means that I trust Ukies more than i do Snowgerians.
I'm not going to even waste my time by going to Orxy and adding up numbers correctly. But...
Russia - 3675, of which: destroyed: 2034, damaged: 74, abandoned: 283, captured: 1284
2034 vehicles destroyed equals to AT LEAST 2 crew member dead, so dead 8068 crew members.
In ww2 on average there was 3 or 4 dead infantry PER crew member dead. Since you are fig who will say that Russia is ubersuper worldpower that is mechanized to tits, lets say there is 1:1 ration of dead infantry to dead crewman that equals to 8068 dead infantry. so 16136 DEAD sacks of shit.
For every DEAD solder on average there is 3 to 4 INJURED solders, but since you are fig who will say that Russia is ubersuper worldpower that rescues all wounded solders, lets say it is 1:1 for injured to dead ration.
That leads to 32272 casualties for absolute BAREST minimum. Now imagine if there is 1:3 crew to infantry deaths and 1:3 dead to wounded.
tldr: Op is cock sucking pidor
>ukie reports for destroyed vehicles
Tldr I’m not reading all that and I’m glad I could waste your time
We are reaching a new level of copium, hold on boys, were going off the charts!
\> I don't have time to read, but i have to post 30 comments a day defending putin
\> i'm going to read part OP says is bad
\> Orxy is faking the numbers
cope and seethe.
Isn’t it time for your dilation break
Angry lil fella, aren't you?
Since when did they say 20k dead Russians in March lmao
Lot of words to make a simple point, Ivan.
>1000 people cannot "hide" in the woods.
Ukraine is the size of texas, there could easily be 1000 people hiding out scattered across 1/5th of the country with no one noticing. There is massive evidence of Russian casualties.
Also, Ukraine is not small. It is the size of texas and has a population of 44 million. That makes it the 36th largest in the world by population and 45th by land area.
Are you unironically mentally challenged? They don’t pop up at the same time, it has been happening over months now. Of course you won’t see a whole row of ambulances at the same time
you are a fucking shil, reread his comment.
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No, you fucking idiot. OP never said that. 50 - 60k have been wounded, that could be anything from getting grazed by shrapnel and needing to take a day or two to get bandaged and recover, to being shot in the chest and having to spend 2 months in the hospital to losing your legs and getting sent home.
They are not saying 81k deaths. They are saying 20k something deaths and then 40-60k wounded or captured. Might it be a bit off? Sure. But I have seen a shit ton of combat footage and now even western sources are saying that 20k dead might be realistic. I think 20k dead with 40k wounded/MIA/captured total might be realistic. All the busses you saw coming into Russia and Belarus from Ukraine with wounded soldiers were full as fuck. The first month of the war, Ukraine's numbers were way higher than the more conservative numbers of western governments, but now they are getting pretty close to eachother.
I wonder if this is the type of propaganda on the other side of the Afghanistan/Iraq war
In WW1 an army could lose 81k in an hour and you think 81k in 3 months of intense urban fighting is impossible?
Russia has still been shown to use outdated military tactics as well, its completely believable that they have sustained a large amount of casualties.
Im sure a good portion have also surrendered/defected.
Ukraine has documented a pretty good number of the casualties. I don’t know where the 81k number came from but there are plenty of independent sources including glowies and ex-IC plus just independent outlets that cite their sources.
>81k soldiers dead
"losses" doesn't mean deaths. There has pretty much always been wayyy more soldiers wounded than captured in pretty much anywar for the last 800 or so years.
I mean Ukraine had the 3rd or 4th largest army in europe before the invasion, and they’ve had 8 years to dig in in Donetsk/Luhansk prior to the invasion. It is hardly Belarus, and Russia is constantly outnumbered seeing as they aren’t mobilizing
The USA is many times larger than Afghanistan or Vietnam, and yet couldnt dominate them either
American troops went wherever they pleased in those countries, they were under full occupation.
Lmao no they didnt, if US troops went into the largely Taliban controlled mountains they were likely to get IED'd, or if they went anywhere near north Vietnam they were likely to get ambushed, hell even the south wasnt guaranteed safe throughout the war.
American service members killed in Afghanistan over 20 years: 2,448.
Taliban and other opposition fighters: 51,191.
Looks pretty dominated to me
Except youre leaving out the US coalition forces, that would be like removing Chechen casualties from the Russian numbers. You also have to consider how many unarmed civilians were considered "taliban"
Also death toll and victory two separate mrtrics entirely, you lost, keeo seething though.
The US military had firm control of the country for 20 years, and they absolutely had the capability to stay indefinitely. However, there was no justification to stay, as there was never much justification to go there to begin with. The true failure was allowing the installed Afghan government to become a corrupt kleptocracy. They had no willingness to fight the Taliban and immediately collapsed as soon as the US started leaving. You can loose a war without loosing a battle. Afghanistan was a political failure, not a military failure.
It’s also likely that it was known that it would never work out in the end. The only real reason the US was there for 20 years was so that the military industrial complex could make money.
>The US military had firm control of the country for 20 years, and they absolutely had the capability to stay indefinitely.
No they didnt, US forces lost complete control of the North within the last 5 years of the occupation, and tbh they never really had full control of it, they had little furebases that they could sally forth from for patrols, and travel between by heli, but the actual land was still controlledby the Taliban. Thats why the Taliban was pretty much right on the heels of US forces as they retreated to Kabul, capturing anything left behind within hours of US evacuation.
If we include unarmed civies their deaths are like a million. The middle east was glassed repeatedly.
Coalition forces only had 1100k killed total
Not to mention U.S. forces had not been conducting significant combat operations in Afghanistan since 2014 outside of special forces raids - things didn't start going downhill there until 2018 - 2019
Don't be ridiculous. The U.S pretty much owned the Taliban.
Those countries were literally on the other side of the world from us, and we usually only had a fraction of our army in them at any give time. Ukraine is 1/5th of Russias size, and Russia has anywhere from 1/4th to 1/5th of their Army stationed there, and thats not including the LPR and DPR militias assisting them.
Both of those countries had casualties multitude higher than america though. Which we, seemingly, are not seeing in Ukraine.
Ukraine is already on its fourth mobilization, so Id hazard to guess the Ukrainian casualty numbers are a lot higher than the west would like to admit. I do agree that Russian casualty numbers are proportionally higher than US numbers for similar conflicts
They are both dying at higher rate than any other modern war so its basically stupid as fuck either way
afghanistan went well until the americans decided they wanted to nation build
they should have left as soon as they got bin laden
Which movie did you learn that from?
Imagine believing soldier death statistics. Almost as dumb as believing civilian death statistics.
Lots of people, hell for the past three days, western media refused to use the word "Surrender" for the guys who were stuck in that steelplant for months lol. They used "evacuate" like the Ukrainians managed to sneak them out, i guess the Germans in Stalingrad also evacuated.
thats fair but i don't think its likely the russians will take them as pows. Of course there will be bias towards ukraine in western media but that doesnt mean everything that comes out is a lie
Same people who believe
Ghost of Kiev.
Island garrison fights to the death.
Zelensky fighting on front line (old footage).
Russians leaving non-Russian internet.
Russians planting bombs at Chernobyl.
Radiation at Chernobyl rising
Zelensky ready to discuss neutrality (delay).
Russian soldiers shoot British journalists.
Ukes shoot down RU heli (game footage).
Russians running out of fuel for tanks.
Russians going to release bio weapons.
US biolabs not real.
Poland sending planes to Ukraine.
90% of Russian forces committed to battle.
Russians texting home saying battle is lost.
Zelensky visits hospital (old footage).
American journalist killed by Russians.
Russians deserting or mutinying.
Russian fire on civilian car killing two.
Ukraine had no nazis in the government.
Mariupol siege being lifted.
Russia is fully encircled around Kiev.
Russians target theatre with civilians.
Russia cucking in ceasefires with Ukraine.
Russia bombing Donentsk & Kramatorsk.
Russia is leaving Kiev.
Ukraine took Irpin.
Ruble worthless (completely recovered).
The bucha massacre.
In short ur avg.. npc eating out of the hands of msm.
I do. Not 80k dead, but 20k dead and twice/thrice as many wounded/missing(fled)/captured in total. Russia has always sucked at war. They just throw people at their enemies until they are overwhelmed, but quality-wise Russia/Sovietunion sucked and still sucks ass. Look at WW2. The only way they won against Finland and Germany was by not giving a fuck about how many of them died and just throwing in more and getting tons of material from the US and UK. They are going for the full zombie horde steategy, which sadly no longer works becauwe their birth rate is shit and modern weapons make "throwing bodies at enemies" way less effective.
“I believe in any Cold War propaganda I see”
>The only way they won
> was by not giving a fuck about how many of them died and just throwing in more
>and getting tons of material from the US and UK
They were pretty sophisticated in the later stages of the war, especially from 1943 onwards. Turns out the dudes like Tukhachevsky and the proponents of combined arms, motorisation and armoured spearheads were right, while cavalry officers of the civil war that boot licked to no end were wrong.
Without western supplies though, the Soviets would have probably lost the oil fields of the Caucasus which would have prolonged the war long enough for the Germans to get nuked.
To be fair, just believing what you read is how we get most of our knowledge in the first place.
Any subreddit with the blue/yellow flag for starters
I tend to stay away from that lgtb stuff
That'll be the Ukrainian numbers, which are probably highly exaggerated.
Theyre not all deaths though. The basic math is that for every combat death statistically you'll lose 2 to 4 times that number to serious injury, desertion or capture. I think the Ukrainians are saying nearly 30k Russian soldiers have been killed so 80k total 'loses' sounds about right.
Even if its only half that it's still a huge amount for a 10 week ~~war~~ very special magical military operation.
anyone who follows the conflict and has a basic knowledge of how fighting works
\>two large, well equipped, modern armies with decent training go at it for almost three months straight
\>lots of people die
Ukraine will also have taken a lot of casualties, but it doesn't mean that that didn't happen. Btw "losses" includes wounded and captured, its likely only about 20k - 25k of those were killed.
Even Ukraine doesn’t claim it to be more than 28k
Yet they say their own losses are 1500 or some shit
Source: i fucking made it up
Do you even know which continent Ukraine are in? You clearly know little about the conflict if you actually believe I made up the fact that Ukraine share little to no info about their losses.
Last time the ukrainian officials even bothered to release any numbers was in April and then they claimed 2500 soldiers had been killed while US officials at the same time estimated atleast 11 000.
But go ahead and type cringe reddit talking points and one liners to farm karma points in a sub dedicated to shit on just that
cope and seethe
Those numbers are more than 1 month old, r-slur
Yes April was last month, you are really observant
Yeah, and the news from the OP are like from this month. Ukranians don't say they killed 80000 russians and at the same claim they lost 2500 men. And speaking of muh 1000 losses, why you omitted the 10k wounded? 12500-13000 casualties is not so close to 1000, is it?
I have no idea what you are talking about and I doubt you do too.
R-slur, if you take your numbers from wikipedia, at least cite them all
Yet just 1k of them surrendered yesterday alone , god knows how many are hit with artillery in their foxholes each day . It really seems like Zelensky is going to resist until the last Ukrainian :/
Noooo just surrender and let them beat you and rape you and treat you like shit just trust me bro it's better this way pls stop fighting pls
The absolute state of vatniks
>until the last male Ukranian
>Yet just 1k of them surrendered yesterday alone
Did Putin tell you that while you were sucking his cock?
Zelenski told me that.
Wasn’t there 3k in that plant originally? Then we have to assume 2k got kia. Their kia numbers are probably on the same level as the russians
>Wasn’t there 3k in that plant originally?
No, there were 3.5k in Mariupol at the start of the war. They retreated to the plant after about 7 weeks of intense urban fighting, and most estimates placed the people who had retreated to the plant at anywhere from a few hundred to \~1.5k. Russia claimed to have captured about 1000 marines the day before that but could never produce videos showing more than a hundred or so.
good. fuck russia
That’s the problem russia is having very low casualties , the only war Ukraine is clearly winning and I will give them this win 100% is propaganda war. There is talks of 100k + dead on Russia / entire brigades gone and still those brigades are in the fight , in every video the morale is high they are joking / drifting with tanks / having fun with Ukie pows (would you joke around and not beat up Ukie pows if allegedly half your unit already got wiped out ? ) so yeah the only suffering rn are regular Ukrainians civilians and soldiers who have no other option since it’s the 4th wave of conscription
Would you want to surrender if a foreign force invaded the US?
Then holiday on the south coast of UK.
Not like he has a choice, the instant he gives any terms of surrender I'll suspect we'll see a very high quality video of him being shot apart with a rifle by the military. Puppet leader, the military is in control now.
The other day the Russian Mod said Ukraine had lost approximately some 25k troops, I am likely to believe that since Ukrainians are surrendering by the hundreds or even thousands on the daily. There are already videos of Russian busses taking POWs to detention centers in Russia.
Ukrainians have just ordered a 4th round of mobilization. You don’t go through 4 rounds in 3 months if you are doing better than the opponent. Especially with 200k active reserves
Sweet Vanya. Yep, we loose so much, russians even start to run away from Kharkiv. Just like from Kiev, Chernigiv, Sumi (it's like 35km from russian border) and everywhere except South and some parts of East. Outstanding glory of russian army!
Well they claim around 28k dead. Maybe the 80k figure is including wounded and captured?
Usual math for this is 2-3x wounded per dead so that kinda maths out.
Man the US lost what 2400 in the middle east over 20 years? Wtf is Russia doing
mainly fighting a EUROPEAN country.
US mostly use proxy tactics to fight their war, heavily equip the natives as puppet allies to make up for the missing forces to fight against insurgents that poorly equipped. They know that losing too many US soldiers on foreign soil isn't gonna looking good on the media, so they sacrifice the native forces instead . Meanwhile the Russians forces are consist of..well 100% Russians fighting the Ukraine forces that heavily equipped with almost half of the world's support .
fighting a competent and well equipped army with a incompetent and moderately well equipped army. Pretty much the opposite of what we did.
28k being dead, not total casualties. Wounded and captured plus the dead add up to around 80k or so.
Ukraine claims to have *killed* 28,000 russian soldiers. most other estimates put it more between 20k and 25k. 81k losses means 81 killed, or wounded, or captured, or missing in action. Only a fraction of those 81k are dead.
Holy Christ I fucking get it you’re the 6th one to point this out do you fucking read other comments
They claim to have killed 28k. Casualties count more than just kills (injured, pows, etc)
Bro you’re the fifth to say this I fuckin get it
I believe this includes wounded, killed, surrendered, captured... Still seems high
Ukraine is claiming 28k dead, even at 20k you would arrive around 80k dead, wounded etc with "normal" war stats projection so that seems pretty on point
That won’t stop morons in the worldnews sub from believing it.
81k loses. Not necessarily deaths. It includes POWs, wounded, ran off to elope with their firesquad member etc etc
They would nuke before ADMITTING they lost that many.
If they nuke then that would be the end of them so they won't use nukes
Tankies absolutely fuming in the comments
This war brought nazis and tankies on one side.
Nazis are pro Ukraine, along with leftists lol. Tankies are siding with redpill conservatives.
Who is saying that? Even Ukraine themselves are saying 28k rn
28k dead. Doesn’t include wounded/captured/deserted.
You people actually think Putin gives a shit about the number of soldiers lost. They're untrained kids that were told to pick up a rifle and follow that tank. There are millions more to replace them so it doesn't matter to Putin at all. His only concern is saving face in this dumpster fire of a war he got himself into.
Yeah, problem is that they no longer have a high birth rate, so their zerg/zombie rush strategy won't work as well.
You're right, equipment losses are the problem for Russia which are also extremely high
Wayne is the only tripfag I like
Just cuz he lives in the desert in a tin tent and threatens goverment officials with IEDs
I assume 81 thousand is casualties and not deaths. Deaths are probably 30k+
Bro, those are the same thing.
That'd be like 2,000 people a day lmao. There's no way
It includes all losses. Probably like 20k dead and twice/thrice as many wounded/missing/caught in total, which is a realistic ratio. Take a look at some of the combat footage. I saw one video alone where you saw Mariupol with a drone and there were like at least 50 Russians strewn on a single street.
thats perfectly beleivable, also keep in mind that figure is total losses, not just KIA.
2000 a day by most military math logic is ~400 - 600 killed a day on average. This is a war with hundreds of thousands of people fighting each other in a country the size of texas, and the countries fighting are botth doing it with modern, well equipped armies. I'm honestly surprised its only 2000 a day.
>We’re totally rolling over Ukraine, no losses, easy!
No cap fr fr
Fr fr on god no cap bruh! 😂👌🏽
They must have all rushed B
responding to tripfags is a crime
No one had trips
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a tripfg is someone who uses a secure tripcode. We're not refering to triples like post id digits.
Shit I can't believe I didn't know this, I feel like a fraud
Ukraine has already begun the Nuremberg trials for POWs
They used an invasion force of 120,000 2/3 of those did not die or they would’ve had a general mobilization by now. Ukrainians are just trying to cope now that their “heroes” in azovstal surrendered
Least r-slurred vatnik. Nobody is claiming 81k deaths
A casualty is most of the time irretrievable so what I say still applies
>those did not die or they would’ve had a general mobilization by now
Implying that the 81k count is pure deaths.
Kia/wia/Mia is all irretrievable. What I said still implies. Russians did not lose 2/3 of their invasion force thats a ridiculous propaganda attempt by ukies
You’d be more credible if you could actually speak with proper grammar.
“Wounded in action is irretrievable” lol
81k is total casualties which includes wounded captured and killed
Wounded and MIA might aswell be incapacitated so they still did not lose that many
Learn the difference between killed and casualties before you run your mouth.
You've already been humiliated in the other comment thread.
Just stop talking.
Oh no I really got my internet reputation destroyed. Touch grass
You just said touch grass unironically.
Holy shit I can't even.
Don't speak again. Please.
Do EVERYONE a favor. And don't do it.
> They used an invasion force of 120,000
They used an invasion force of 190,000, with tens of thousands more militiamen from Donbabwe and Luganda assisting, along with a lot of foreign mercenaries, 81k includes killed, wounded, captured, and missing.
I never heard anything above 30,000 even from Ukrainian sources, let alone normal Western ones.
Ukraine claims 23k dead, including wounded, captured and missing, 80k sounds about right for total casualties. Even if the estimation is high, it is evident that Russia got bloodied since they halted northern operations and retreated.
Casualties mean dead,wounded,prisoner and Missing.
That’s hardly “anon” when it’s a named person. That’s Wayne Lambright
The future is bright, Lambright
Didn't know 4chan joined the Reddit hivemind
its probably the ones dead, wounded, surrendered
\>poorest country in Europe
Aussie moment. Ukraine is Europe's leading grain exporter by a landslide.
Want poor countries in Europe? Moldova, Romania, Hungary... countries that don't have much to provide. Ukraine is all fucking plains and steppes. The most ideal fucking conditions for farming.
Ukraine is literally the poorest country in Europe lol. Just because they are a powerful grain exporter of Ukraine doesn't change the fact. The average annual salary there is like $1500 USD, and they are behind Mexico in HDI.
\> yeah let me just destroy the nation's industry and population, which is the primary reason we're trying to take
No way they'd lose that many soldiers in 80 days of 2 day invasion.
It's war, you don't count properly here
Those who staying the Russians are getting killed by Ukraine conscripts should ask the 'elite' Canadian sniper who can't even get a kill on Russians and nearly got killed twice.
Eventually he need to ran home and cry to the media.
Bet anon has a reddit account, follows r slash Ukraine and believes everything that is posted.
Lmfao, Russia could've won by now and we would never know. MSM would keep saying they fighting for years for that foreign aid money. We don't know where the truth lies.
They said ruskies ran out of gas months ago. Apparently not. Strategically Ukraine is lost. 40+ billion going into pockets. Some of you may be too young to remember Baghdad Bob.
Even russia has admitted they actually have less ground now than they did in march, and their offensive in donbas has effectively stalled. You need to spend less time on r/ conspiracy.
I just know that Ukraine admitted they are evacuating Ukraine troops to Russia，hahaha