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NorthernRealmJackal

Peak "literally nobody asked for this" Hollywood moment.


SkippyMcHugsLots

I thought it could be neat, and then I saw the stills, and then I saw that they replaced Tim Allen and now I refuse to see it because of that.


Thntdwt

Did they replace him to get the younger actor, or did they replace him because of his politics?


nicolesassandboobies

They replaced him to be different than the original character. Just jewish decision after jewish decision.


Ihcend

yea because buzz lightyear in the new movie is not a toy but a human. there’s some complicated lore or something


nicolesassandboobies

Which is also jewish. No one cares about human buzz.


Hoid_the_Bard

Allegedly it's just because they wanted an actor to better fit the tone of the movie because they're claiming Buzz was a complete airhead in the originals. Yeah, he could be goofy, but I feel like that doesn't mean Tim Allen himself is incapable of being a serious character. It's because of the politics.


LordoftheBread

Tim Allen is absolutely incapable of acting himself out of a wet paper bag.


Poopdicks69

Aahhhraahhghhh


Fit_East_3081

Buzz light year started off as a fictional tv show character within a fictional movie. This movie is bottom of the barrel, Hollywood is scrapping for literally anything at this point


NewtonIsMyPilot

It could have been an interesting idea, a childrens movie about an astronaut, a brave and serious explorer of the stars that could have served as a role model and gotten them inrerested in space exploration and science instead of tick tock and influencers again. Instead we got the usual quirky character that spouts puns every couple of minutes.


NightFox71

I stopped watching cartoons when I was 12. The only people seeing this are SOYLENT f-words living the nostalgia. Not even kids want to see this.


Expired_Gatorade

I still watch 90's cartoons and 00's series among with a few modern ones, nothing wrong with that


NightFox71

how much do you weigh and when was the last time you showered?


migswrite

257 and 257


Sure-Penalty-3511

205lbs. This morning at 550am


BarefutR

Hey now - Batman the Animated Series is widely regarded as one of the best cartoons ever made and if you want a good nostalgia trip - watch that shit.


LegoJack

What's a shower?


flyingzub

170lb and 10:30am


Scrooloose1

yes there is a problem with that you manchild


Fernsong

How? It’s just a movie


dolledaan

What's wrong with you let everyone enjoys what they want to enjoy. Stop judging others stop deciding what people can like. You get a life for yourself.


runnincirclesround

I enjoy making fun of other people and putting them down. Just let me enjoy whatever I want to enjoy.


Connect_Supermarket1

Based


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upyoursize

I watched Turning Red with my now ex and I liked it, but I wouldn't go out of my way to watch any of this Pixar shit, mostly because I don't have any children despite dumping load after load into her butthole. Idk what I was doing wrong.


UrMumVeryGayLul

Yo, can I join in on this RP?


upyoursize

Feel free


NewtonIsMyPilot

Wrong hole


JohnnySixguns

He’s just being a Virginia Gentleman.


djjsjsidijrjska

> Soylent f-words Got em


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Kacalac

Oh this subreddit is going to throw a fit with this one


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Important-Owl1661

But, but, but, I was commenting on his supersonic 4 speed transmission


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JiuJitsu_Ronin

You mean I should choose between all the woke, watered down, remake shit of today instead of reliving nostalgia from the only time I was happy in my life?


Lokolopes

Some cartoons can still pass on desirable virtues, live Avatar. Modern stuff is crap tho.


Moholbi

Guys look how based I'm


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pizzaman69_

seriously how does a cgi cartoon cost 200 million dollars


NightFox71

Charge 1 million dollars an hour


Genesis1234567891011

I have no clue why every single Pixar movie (and it seems like every other animated film) needs the biggest actors to voice their characters. It’s multitudes more expensive than professional voice actors, they don’t do nearly as well because it’s a different skill set, and nobody cares that Chris Evans is in Lightyear. Just a crappy use of money.


pizzaman69_

you know exactly why they use big actors for voiceovers. They know the movie's gonna be shit so they try to rake in viewers by using big names like Chris Evans


Genesis1234567891011

I get that for crappy movies, especially by studios that are getting started out. But Pixar movies had the most consistent quality for more than a decade, and almost every single one had big voice actors that cost way more than they were worth. But that was absolutely what they did here. The movie was terrible.


bob_mcd

They need star names to turn up at the premier and do weeks of publicity.


aerosol_aerosmith

Money laundering


Apostle000

That’s the entire laundry


Magsec5

Marketing


Genesis1234567891011

Shockingly, their budgets don’t include marketing costs. That’s why you need to typically double your budget to break even. Somehow they went through $200 million before they even started marketing.


Fat_Argentina

Animation's fucking hard and it takes a buttload of people to make. The story may be trash, but Pixar always goes above and beyond in the technical aspect, it's like a graphics demo every time they launch a new project. Animation has always been more expensive than live action, which is why we didnt have any straight to T.V. cartoons 'till Astroboy in the 60's.


Important-Owl1661

I'd like to know what the Disney animators are actually paid I've seen too many articles about long hours and short pay checks


Fat_Argentina

the Mouse never had a good relationship with their animators, long hours are guaranteed, but nowadays I trully don't know how much they're paying. ​ In general , animation pays pretty well and jobs are plenty. You gotta be good tho, or at least have some potential and be young.


Greatoni123

Software to create it is overpriced.


Strobont

You make it sound like they have to buy or create new software before making every new movie


Greatoni123

Software such as adobe and Maya nickel and dime the customer by not being able to be bought, only “rented” through subscription services.


alexsdad87

Are they making Lightyear on Adobe?


Greatoni123

It’s just an example, to be completely honest I don’t know what Pixar is using, but I assume that Photoshop and Illustrator could be used for posters, and after effects could be used to polish CGI.


MyHawkyyy

Disney use a mix of blender and their own software to make the movies (rendering in their own massive render farms), the rest of the budget goes toward an army of 3D modellers and marketing


Greatoni123

Makes sense to me. Naturally, you’d need programmers to create and maintain the software, and CGI like that certainly doesn’t come cheap. One thing I’ll admit to neglecting is that most money spent on modern movies actually goes toward advertising as well.


born_2_be_a_bachelor

Unless it’s a 100 million dollar yearly subscription I don’t think the software is very relevant to the cost of a hollywood movie


Czar4k

Subscription software is expensive, but unless their programs cost thousands per hour instead of thousands per year, were talking about different scales here. Software might be 6 or 7 figures of that budget, but not 9 figures.


-Hollow_

aw man, if making a full cgi movie is that expensive i can kiss my dreams of hoping for a cgi warhammer 40k movie ever coming to cinemas goodbye.


AbbyShapiroCockVore

It'd be rated PG and about a black female guardsman showing Guilliman that she don't need no man anyway. 40k is dead, move on.


casino_r0yale

100 animators making 100k a year for 3 years is already 30 mil. Especially for Pixar quality, shit’s labor intensive. Plus I bet the celebrity voice actors got overpaid


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Californians


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casino_r0yale

Wrong coast buddy, California is too stoned for stims


detachment100

The juice, anon.


enonnnymous

You severely underestimate how difficult animation is, not to mention the cost of all of the software and hardware.


Nokneemouse

This movie sounds like an answer to a question nobody asked, I'm not sure what it has to do with being "woke" though.


Damn_you_science

There is a gay kiss in it


UglierThanMoe

Sounds gay.


Ihcend

you could blink and miss it.


Damn_you_science

I didn't say it made sense, just that's what they're outraged about


Nokneemouse

And you think that's the problem?


ChokeMeMommie

same sex kiss, it was originally gonna not be included and it isnt in a lot of other countries but the people working on it were gonna go on strike or something so they left it in


ahackercalled4chan

it was Disney giving the middle finger to DeSantis for the "don't say gay" bill that was actually an anti-groomer bill and had nothing to do with saying gay


FailosoRaptor

Companies keep falling for the Twitter trap. People just like complaining about what movies should be like, but these are also the same kind of people who wouldn't even see that genre to begin with. It's like why are you listening to women about how to make a James Bond movie when they are not even your target demographics. It's not so much go woke and go broke, but more like making a movie appealing to an audience who have no plans on watching your movie. Good business plan.


outerheavenboss

This is exactly it. They listen to the loud minority that is not really interested in your movie.


OneInternational984

Do you really [Fink](https://i.imgur.com/FxRtYaU.jpg) these multi billion dollar corporations haven't figured out what posters on a Polish cheese tasting forum figured out years ago?


lonelyVaultdweller

Hey, you guys like generic looking ps3 era games right?guess what we made for you!


JesusValadez

Why all the gay shit in kids movies/cartoons?


EH042

It could be 3 things: 1. Animators wanting to add some representative in the background of their work to show “hey, gay people exist, they are normal and we shouldn’t pretend they don’t or vilify them” 2. Studios adding it in a small, non important dose to score brownie points in the west while keeping it short enough to be edited out for the chinese markets. (Gotta get them sweet Winnie the Pooh bucks) 3. They add it as a scapegoat in case the movie is trash so they can blame it on the audiences and deflect the fact they made a shit movie.


gigalo_penisanti

I swear it's all just some elaborate tax write off shenanigans. Like every cringe woke remake movie is a hilariously shit concept a la springtime for Hitler


I_Hate_Dolphins

I think it is almost certainly all three of these things.


LegEcstatic7775

Why do you hate dolphins?


AmericanVimperialist

Third is most often the choice, as that was what happened with korra


VerySpecialGuest

NOOOOO ITS OBVIOUSLY BIG GAY AND THINK OF THE CHILDREN AND ASDKIDJASHDKJIA


detachment100

They vill come for yourz children and you vill do nothing.


Stregen

There's two reasons, depending on if you take your meds or not. If meds: Because it's the 'in' thing and the guys in marketing had figured out that it sells 7.4% better. If no meds: Probably underground Jewish lizard aliens or something.


OneInternational984

https://i.imgur.com/FxRtYaU.jpg Pirate everything.


born_2_be_a_bachelor

You asking that question clearly indicates you’re a homophobic incel. go back to your mom’s basement and vote for clarence thomas again, chud


TheSonofPier

If this is bait, congrats


born_2_be_a_bachelor

It was


sadnificent

Fuck, I loved Buzz Lightyear as a kid. Was the movie even good?


AlabastorRetard

No, that's why we're constantly getting blasted by all the "PeOpLe HaTe ThIs MoViE bEcAuSe GaY". It's bland as shit, Disney knew it was bland as shit and they're trying to deflect all criticism as homophobia.


sadnificent

That is so sinister. They tried to guilt-trip people into watching this shit. I wish we could watch as Walt Disney does gymnastics in his grave.


Swak_Error

Yeah it's a pretty dirty move on there part. I just didn't want to see the movie. The entire concept didn't interest me. Of course, as soon as I go and say that on social media the leftist dipshits that I'm friends with on Facebook immediately went REEEEEEEEEEEE *HOMOPHOBE*. And I'm just sitting here like, One it doesn't interest me, and two, apparently the movie itself just isn't very good. I don't give a shit if there is a same-sex kiss in the movie. If your movie sucks, then it sucks. It's that simple


JohnnySixguns

So on the one hand, it’s just a gay kiss. Yet at the same time it’s a referendum on homosexuality such that, if you don’t watch it or don’t like it after watching it, you’re a homophobe. That is how important the gay kiss is.


magusx3

Yeah, the whole woke thing is just disgusting. They really are a bunch of stupid NPCs falling for PR/propaganda. It doesn't help that both sides play it up with shit like replacement theory and crazy immigration racism. At this point all they're after is ratings. Not doing shit to help their viewers


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Best comment


sadnificent

I'm gonna be honest, I have heard more people complain about replacement theory in my one week on Reddit than I ever have in my 12 years on 4chan.


Nokneemouse

Fucking star wars all over again. A few man babies complained about the strong female lead, the rest didn't like it because of the acting, the plot holes, and the fact that the story was just the first trilogy except worse.


jesuzombieapocalypse

Nah the real bullshit wasn’t the Mary Sue stuff, people actually *did* complain about that, but it didn’t do much. You know what I never saw though? Anyone (outside of China) complain about a Vietnamese woman and black man first existing in the movie, and then kissing. Exact same thing right down to the kiss. And then they acted like every western Star Wars fan hated the movie for that reason lol nooo couldn’t possibly be because they just sucked donkey dick no matter who they would have cast.


Nokneemouse

That whole romantic sub plot was so utterly pointless, it added nothing to the film.


Swak_Error

In fact, it was so pointless that they completely dropped the romantic subplot for the final shitty movie


Nokneemouse

I didn't make it to the end. Doesn't sound like I missed much.


Swak_Error

You did not. They basically undid and illegitimatized everything the first six movies built towards with Luke and Anakin Skywalker, And despite Anakin going full space Hitler he ultimately turned back to the good side and was in fact the chosen one to bring balance the force. And then Rey comes along and goes "LULZ no I'm the chosen one despite the fact I'm literally a blood relative of Palpatine." Like I normally don't give a shit about movies to this degree, but the Star Wars sequel trilogy was just so bad I can't help but continue to kick it while it's down. It makes no fucking sense and it just all around sucks in comparison to the consistency and continuity with the first two trilogies


Degenera_Sea

I was cautiously optimistic that Disney star wars wouldn't be so shit, like I knew it'd be safe but they have a huge resource pool and lots of experience. But they literally didn't do the most basic of basic things, like I could spend 5 minutes on google to get the shape of a story for a trilogy. It's well known how to structure one, where the beats go, where the down parts are, the "all hope is lost" moments etc. All they had to do was colour between the lines and they couldn't even do that


Important-Owl1661

Next they'll release a film making it all a dream...


Swak_Error

Don't get my hopes up


born_2_be_a_bachelor

The rise of skywalker was one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen. After the lights came on me and my friend just looked and eachother and said “what the fuck was that?”


JohnnySixguns

You see, youngblood, that’s exactly what my wife and I said, except we said it after The Last Jedi and didn’t bother with TROS. We were die hard fans too. We waited in line to see The Phantom Menace.


Paradigm_Of_Hate

Phantom Menace was better than both TLJ and TROS


jesuzombieapocalypse

Exactly, that was the only real complaint, not that they were any race or another, it was that the characters were bland across the board and half their interactions were a total waste of time and didn’t move anything along. But then it’s easy enough to say “but you don’t like a movie with a black guy in it, *you know what that means*!”


Important-Owl1661

They usually don't


yrulaughing

Fucking hated that Finn got robbed of a perfectly great death scene in the second movie. That would have been a perfect way for them to kill that character cuz honestly they didn't know what to do with him.


AlabastorRetard

Right? And yeah it was a stupid idea that made no sense but the kamikaze should have been Leia's death, not admiral Newby McWhogivesashit


Midkasa_Sukasa

They didn't want to give the guy named Ackbar the role of suicide crashing a ship into something


jesuzombieapocalypse

I’ll admit it took me like a year after it started happening to pick up on it, but for a while now that’s their MO. Star Wars with the “Star Wars fans are just mad about black people, Asians, etc.” It’s mostly but not exclusive to Disney. I’d say it was kind of smart on their end but they do it literally every damn time they make a stinker now, so they’re just hammering you with the same line every couple months: “if you don’t like our movie you’re a bigot for x reason”. I wouldn’t be surprised if like 2/3 into production they went “holy shit this movie’s gonna suck chode… mark, animate some gay shit we need the failsafe again”


Wvaliant

That’s my take on the situation right there. No one with any actual criticism of the film gives a shit about the kiss scene (even if we all know it’s just Disney box checking as usual). It’s because no one asked for this movie, the original canon from the cartoons was better, and the movie itself was bland as shit. But nah some gaggle of r3tards on Twitter said they didn’t like the kiss scene so obviously people only disliked the movie for specifically that reason and that reason only.


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AlabastorRetard

I wish Disney had those kind of balls, one of the lady side characters has a wife.


minecraftivy

Honestly i liked it ngl


sadnificent

Oh. Well, at least it was fun for some people!


RenegadeBurger

PS1 game was pretty fun


TNTspaz

I didn't even know it came out. Same with the Ms.Marvel show. (Basically Captain Marvel rebrand that fails even more than her lmao, literally like a dozen failed comics shared between them) I didn't even know it came out until I heard it failed. Seems to be happening a lot recently


EH042

Ms. Marvel is an actual good, well written and charismatic character, infinitely better than Captain Marvel in every aspect (I fucking hate Captain Marvel since Civil War II). The show bombing had more to do with being released between a bunch of juggernauts (Kenobi, The boys, etc.)


Waterstealer

>Ms. Marvel is an actual good, well written and charismatic character fucking excuse me? that snotty brat in episode 1? i haven't watched any more of it but has she done a 180 and stopped thinking she's the only person who matters?


EH042

I haven’t watched the show (not enough money for streaming services), so my opinion is based on seeing her in comics and the Avengers game.


Waterstealer

i watched the first episode and oh my fucking god is she the worst most irritating brat that the show wants you to think is just a misunderstood little babby. i respect all of the adults in the show more than her. even her hyper-muslim brother.


LostSandwich78

Isn't Ms. Marvels motivation to be a superhero simply to be powerful and popular rather than to do good? Sounds like a pretty shitty and narcissistic character to me.


Important-Owl1661

Playing to a self-absorbed cadre of social media wannabes as a target audience?


Ihcend

yes she try’s to fit in using her powers. but at the end she realizes that just being herself is much better. something like that


yrulaughing

Are Captain Marvel and Ms. Marvel related at all? Why are their names so similar?


TNTspaz

The source of their abilities is similar in the comics. She is basically introduced as Captain Marvel's sidekick


TMWNN

In addition to what TNTspaz said, the current Captain Marvel of MCU/comics used to be called Ms. Marvel. Comics companies often reuse names, in part to reinforce trademarks. Right now, the Marvel universe has * Ms. Marvel * Captain Marvel, who used to be called Ms. Marvel * Photon, who used to be called Captain Marvel * Three different dead aliens, all who were called Captain Marvel (one of which I wasn't even aware of until this comment) DC *also* has a Captain Marvel through corporate acquisition, and he precedes all of the above (if you watch the new *Elvis* film you'll see what I mean). DC renamed him to Shazam, the name many people called him anyway, but I presume that DC might someday give the name to someone else.


KeepRooting4Yourself

Was it cap or tony who shat on her whole being after civil war? I remember it perfectly summing up why no one likes her lol


ObviouslyAnExpert

Her own debut run was pretty good. To be honest, I liked Gwenpool's debut run as well (even though it started to fall apart in major ways towards the end). Both portrayed charismatic characters. I saw both of them in some successive comics, and as you might imagine, different marvel writers have been able to completely screw them up and make them just another irritating brat. I would not be surprised if the show writes a terrible Ms. Marvel instead of the good one we debuted with.


ginja_ninja

I am once again asking for your financial support to fund the construction of the first interstellar ark where we send every brave Disney employee on a mandatory one-way trip to colonize Alpha Centauri


DigBickhead

Saw this the other day, it isn't woke, it's just not good.


outerheavenboss

Exactly. The lesbian part is not even important for he plot. The movie is not good nor is it bad. It just exits…


Whole_squad_laughing

The big twist was so bad


throwawaycomment11

How much is $51 million in gasoline?


iquitelikeboats

Half a ml


Its_the_Fuzz

Fuck knows


SimpsLikeGaston

A trip to Walmart in a 2001 Ranger


ToadOnPCP

3 tanks on a prius


JonasSimbacca

My issue was the timeline. How are they doing a backstory about the guy the "toy of the future" is based on, when the movie took place in 1998? "I remember in 1998 when they made a toy commemorating the day Buzz lightyear made first contact with aliens. Also if you don't like this movie, you're a homophobe" <--Why in the fuck is this a movie?


Qukkusn_

Jesus, I totally forgot about star command.


apodo

Excellent movie, go torrent it now


Unwilling-Sock

1. Film is bleak and miserable, sharp contrast from the Buck Rogers/Guardians of the Galaxy fun vibe given to the previous versions of Buzz. 2. Few aliens and only human characters. The woke aren’t clever enough to use aliens to discuss hot button issues like Star Trek and everything else since. So the woke just use humans of every diversity check box. (see first point.) 3. Characters are bland looking and ugly(see second point.) 4. Disney’s audience has lost confidence in their ability to produce family friendly content. See StarWars and Florida.


Liebermode

Man it looks so bland, its like one of those AAA game companies pushing out 4K UHD graphics that doesn't look any different compared to other AAA games.


FatherUnbannable

Who is this even for? It looks like a more adult approach to a cartoon character from my childhood. Is it for kids? Is it for me?


Ihcend

they’re trynna nostalgia bait because of the buzz carton. but they just hit these weird middle ground no one likes


Waterstealer

that fucking cat is what kept me out of the theater.


Superguy230

I thought I was the only one complaining about star command retcon


gridsandorchids

I don't get why anyone thinks this movie is political in any way. It just seems boring.


peanutismint

I keep seeing memes and didn’t happens about people overreacting to this ‘woke’ new Buzz Lightyear movie. Does anybody actually know what’s ‘woke’ about it??


sgt_choke_n_stroke

What is woke? In this context?


aiden22304

People are just waiting for this to drop on Disney+, it’s honestly not that deep.


Comic-Sams123

I watched the movie today it was bad but the art direction and visuals where nice


SstankNnasty

I loved the old cartoon when I was a kid. I'd go watch a movie in that animation style in theatres. I don't give a rat's ass about 1 second of two women kissing. I'm just tired of bad CGI everything. Every movie looks exactly the same now. It's hard to get excited for a movie I feel like I've seen already.


twinklecakes

Are those fa/tv/irgins still insisting it's doing just fine and totally is gonna turn a profit?


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Krist1138

"Only" made 51 million dollars... ​ hollywood was a mistake


BenJammin007

My face when there was absolutely no reference to Warp Darkmatter. Why even bother?


Fine-Lifeguard5357

Omg a cartoon showed something I don't like!


Important-Owl1661

Not really, "woke" in this context is product placement for characters meant to check social boxes


OneInternational984

Yes