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Match Thread: - England vs India

Match Thread: - England vs India

gt33m

India's WC side has left out players that were hot on form and instead gone with reputations/performance over the past few years: * Gaikwad v/s Kishan * Chahal v/s R Chahar * Patel / D Chahar v/s Bhuvi Not sure who would be a better finisher than Hardik, but the guy hasn't done much recently. Also, with Brohit, SKY & Koach not in the best of form, don't see this side going all the way.


Nehaal21

Not wrong


gt33m

Lol yeah. But truth isn't always popular as the downvotes show.


rec350

Do warm-up games count towards official stats? Like if someone gets a career top score, will it be his official international top score? Or if someone scores 200, will it be considered the first ever t20i double century?


obywonkenoby

No


Witty-Ad-9172

What a match.. They batteled really hard..Good performace by ishan kishan and KL rahul


Aj23455

India batted really well although there was not a lot of intensity in the bowling department.


CaregiverMan

[I got what I came for](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/qamjps/match_thread_england_vs_india/hh3z0xs?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)


gt33m

Saw the highlights. IK got FOUR lives. It’s like England want India to start with him.


redditstah

Like they dropped him 4 times?


gt33m

yeah, 2 were dollies. 2 were hard efforts that would be taken in a proper game. numbers don't say everything. there's no way the guy scores so many / consistently in a proper game if he plays like this. I saw him a bit in the IPL, and while he has all the shots and timing, he hasn't quite tightened up his game yet. Pant was a bit like this a couple of years ago, but has found his percentage cricket to be impactful more consistently. All that said, I've been wrong before. Who knows, maybe IK will be the highest scorer in the WC :)


redditstah

Thanks for the reply. Yes he can be the next big thing, but he does look flimsy sometimes. As you said, I can be wrong too.


PikaPant

1-2 were drops, 2 were near catches that fielders didn't put full/proper effort into


InvestorREOptions

What was that, simply mind blowing shots all around. I wish Kohli would have gotten some practice before big games.


VirginVedAnt

The quantity of intolerant fucktards on this subreddit is increasing everyday


Aniruddh31

Unpopular opinion: I don't think Kohli should play in the 11. If we don't win the wc he'll be one of the reasons why.


bambambigelowblah

r/cricket will simply point to his T20I record which is exceptional. It’s like he is a different person than the imposter who plays IPL


Aniruddh31

Why do BCCI employ such bad commentators? Deep Dasgupta is so jarring. He talks so much, so loud, his voice is annoying and he talks nonsense. I genuinely have to turn the volume off when he commentates.


dr__hellspawn

Can you guys stop it with the complaining? You guys have a problem with everyone. You can always listen to AM Radio.


Aniruddh31

But I don't have a problem with everyone. You don't know me. You can always scroll past my comment... we're all free to express our views. I don't get you.


a_gnani

And he's free to reply his views to you too, and you didn't think it was necessary to just scroll past his remark, practice what you preach or ✋


Aniruddh31

Dude read between the lines. I said that because he said you can always listen to radio. Of course anyone can express their views, as that guy did or I did, I just didn't understand his point since he didn't know me, and generalized what I said. "You can always scroll past" not "you should scroll past" this is what I said so I didn't preach anything


ramamodh

Do you want Sanju Manju? Because, that's how you get Sanju Manju


Aniruddh31

No please not him also. I just want Harsha, Dravid, Sangakkara, Nick Knight, Alan Wilkins, Ian Bishop, Ian Smith, Pommie, I'm sure I'm missing a few but this lineup.


Crazy_Jump2707

It's just warm ups.... So they would show up in round games


doscorohit

My XI against Pakistan - Rohit, KL, Kohli, Kishan, Pant (wk), Pandya, Jaddu, Lord Thakur, Ashwin/VC, Shami, Bumrah


CaregiverMan

SKY in place of Kishan, and it's great line up


a_gnani

Sky hasn't been in solid form yet, him and kohli don't seem themselves for some reason, at least to those who are watching from outside.


CaregiverMan

An out of form sky is better no.4 than Ishan


a_gnani

Not when it's important matches and he throws his wicket, loss sky's wicket is more demoralising than loss of ishans wicket. It's a highly competitive spot and we can't get sentimental about individual players and look at it pragmatically.


CaregiverMan

We can give no 4 for Kishan in upcoming T20 series, India must not do this change of prepared plan in a tournaments again and again. I am very glad to be proven wrong by Kishan but we must not repeat CWC19 where rayudu was groomed to be no 4 and replaced by Vijay Shankar and pant played no 4.


cricketbee8861

If Kishan is playing he has to open IMO. He is best when he is given time to get going, and that's exactly what he was allowed to do here, and against kkr and srh


doscorohit

So would you drop Rohit because he certainly ain't playing at no. 3 or 4. Or would you risk KL, who's probably the most in-form T20 batter for India not play at his regular spot? I chose Kishan instead of SKY at 4 because Kishan is on song, and I kinda' felt underconfident in SKY's batting yesterday. I'd consider Iyer instead of Kishan at 4.


ninjaclown

KL will have to sacrifice his spot again and play at 4 lol. RIP.


kingbradley1297

No we cannot let that happen at all. He can do maximum damage if he opens


a_gnani

KL XI flashbacks.


chni2cali

I think there are a lot more variables than most people bring up, the biggest of all being Shardul's ability with the bat. I love the Lord and I completely believe he has the ability to be Hardik's replacement, provided he proves himself in the T20 format. There is not one match I can remember in which Shardul has proved he can hit the big shots at will in [T20.So](https://T20.So) I would probably pick him ahead of Bhuvi and not instead of Hardik Secondly, although Ishan was awful this IPL in the middle order, he has been highly successful being a floater for MI over the past couple of years. The ability is there, good game time in the practice games will give him some confidence Personally would love to see all of Shardul, Ishan, SKY and Hardik playing every match (in spite of being a staunch MI hater).


adi_98

World Cup time and Picking Indian team XI, the most annoying thing. Here is my XI - Rohit, Virat, KL, Kishan/Sky (depending on form, currently I m taking Ishan), Pant, Hardik, Jaddu, Shardul, Varun, Shami, Bumrah I think shardul plays a key role. He is a big game player, he may leak runs be gets wickets and he bats too. He technically India 8 batsmen and 6 bowlers too. The only problem I have is with Hardik being an only batsmen. If you sneak even 2 overs from him, may work or not, gives the team that flexibility. But I don't remember the last time he bowled. If you want to play an only batsmen, then you might as well Sky along with Ishan instead of Hardik


senthiljams

Hardik has bowled in 4 of his 6 ODI's he played this year again England and Sri Lanka. The last 3 of those matches were in July. I thought he bowled decently well.


abhi8192

Why are you opening with 2 accumulators when you have KL and possibly Ishan in the team anyway? Also Hardik and Sky/Ishan are very different batters. Hardik is a lower order bat who can go to ham on a used ball from ball 1. Both SKY and Ishan are upper order bats.


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Would you still say this if they caught him at 7?


Flamingslayer11

I’m a huge Rohit sharma fan, and honestly, I think Kishan should be played over him on current form. My XI rn would be KL, Kishan, Kohli,SKY, Pant, Pandya, Jadeja, Ash/Varun, Thakur, Shami, Bumrah


Medusa_198

Shameless.


Zionview

These are the best example of /r/Cricket right here in this thread


aladeensfw

Slow Track => Rohit (He was the only one that looked in form when IPL phase 2 started) High Scoring track => Ishan, but I think Rohit on his day will be match winner single handedly (3rd T20I vs Eng) so we might need both


AsianNun117

Yep same. Ngl I am a Kishan fan so I am biased but India's problem has been a lack of left-handers in the top order, and we've seen how valuable a left-right opening combination can be.


Born_Spell_1192

If you want KL to play as freely as he did today and given the kind of match winner he has been , it might not be a bad idea to play another 5 batters and play only 5 bowlers as India have hinted today . It might be a bad idea to play three spinners in Dubai as per IPL final as well as stats . There's also possibility of dew. So there should be six bowlers if one of them has bad day. So what should be confident XI for Ind? Let's inspire from champion CSK We have :- Openers At 1 - KL Rahul as Ruturaj At 2 - Rohit as Faf At 3 -. Kohli as Robin Uthappa Should Jadeja as floater at 4 like M Ali does for CSK. Why not? At 5 Surya Ambati Rayudu. At 6 - Hardik as Dhoni At 7 - Pant as Jadeja! At 8 - Shardul as DJ Bravo At 9 - Bumrah as Josh H At 10 - Shami as Deepak Chahar At 11 - Chakravarthy/Ashwin/Chahar as per matchups as Tahir Pacers - 1-6 , 17-20 Spinners + 3 of Pacers 7-16 . If the day of bowlers is so bad ; skippper Kohli can cheap in a over or two like in 2016 T20WC Finishing Fine ✔️(Pandya , Pant) Floater ✔️ ( Jaddu) Early Wickets Reconstruction ✔️ (Surya at 4) Role Assignment ✔️ Confidence ✔️ Hardik bowls = Bonus.


notabotsrs

Why would you use Jadeja to emulate the Moeen role and then use Pant to emulate the Jadeja role in the batting line up? Why not just use Pant as the Moeen and Jadeja as the Jadeja?


Zionview

you are asking serious questions man,, that post wasn't meant for serious discussion


Sarthak9060

I would say today was one sided match. India dominated very well and again showed their batting and bowling class. But For me, the moment of the match was rahul hitting that sweep shot for a six against chris woakes .


Acrophon

1. Rohit 2. Koach 3. KL 4. Ishan 5. Iyer 6. Pant 7. Jaddu 8. Hardik/Shardul 9. Ashwin/Varun 10. Bumrah 11. Shami/Bhuvi Indian lineup with variables depending upon the opponent and pitch !


abhi8192

Why would anyone open with koach and brohit when they already have kl and Ishan in team? What purpose does it serve other than wasting power play?


Acrophon

Probably koach can come at 3 and KL could open. Rohit is a no brainer.


abhi8192

Brohit and Rahul as opener. Koach #3, Pant #4. Iyer makes way for fucboi. Kishan imo should be used as a floater to just fuck with opposition's plan of using legspin against India.


adi_98

Having a 6th Bowling Option, helps a lot when one guy has a bad day. I think India could play Hardik, Jaddu and Shardul over Bhuvi I also believe Shardul can bat too, thats almost like 8 batsmen in the team


Acrophon

See in the last year or two India’s middle order has been much of a hit and trial kinda thing. Since Kohli has lost form they can collapse any moment. Iyer gives more reliability and batting deep also helps.


Paki_man47

if u not gonna open with ishan than no point of taking him


gagga_hai

Not iyer


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Alarmed-Piglet

Iyer isn't part of the squad. Sky will play instead of him. I'd like to see us play both hardik and shardul and leave out Krishan most likely as he is most useful when he opens and that's not happening with rohit in the team


acccric

Exactly 5 bowling options with Pandya being one of them? Or if you go with Shardul, the batting will lack in finishing/power hitting. Either way, Iyer shouldn't make it imo, especially not at no. 5. I would swap Kohli and Rahul. Remove Iyer and bring in Shardul. And maybe Sky instead of Ishan?


Born_Spell_1192

Exactly. How about Jadeja at 4 as floater li Li e M. Ali?


abhi8192

The very idea of a floater involves them having no particular batting no. How could someone be a floater at #4? And why Jaddu? When you have Pant in team who had done best for delhi at #4. Jaddu is great at finishing, so why waste him in middle order?


Born_Spell_1192

### **We should adpat certain roles for each like champion side CSK 🏆** ###*We need KL to play without burden.* ### *We have seen how finishers get too many less deliveries to get the job done. Or Key bowlers not needing to bowl their full quota.* *If* you want **KL to play as freely as he did today** and given **the kind of match winner** he has been , _it might not be a bad idea to play another 5 batters and play only 5 bowlers as India have hinted today._ It might be a __bad idea to play three spinners in Dubai__ _as per IPL final as well as stats._ ###**So what should be confident XI for Ind? Let's get inspire from champion CSK** We have Openers At 1 - *KL Rahul as Ruturaj At 2 - Rohit as Faf At 3 -. Kohli as Robin Uthappa Should Jadeja as floater at 4 like M Ali does for CSK. Why not? At 5 Surya Ambati Rayudu. At 6 - Hardik as Dhoni At 7 - Pant as Jadeja! At 8 - Shardul as DJ Bravo At 9 - Bumrah as Josh H At 10 - Shami as Deepak Chahar At 11 - Chakravarthy/Ashwin/Chahar as per matchups as Tahir* ✔️Finishing Fine (Pandya , Pant) ✔️Floater ( Jaddu) ✔️Early Wickets Reconstruction (Surya at 4) ✔️**Role Assignment** ✔️Confidence *** P.S. - Hardik bowls = Bonus. P.P.S.:- **Ideally bowl** :- Pacers @ 1-6 , 18-20 Spinners +3 off Pacers @7-16 . _Exception spinners in powerplay as per the matchups_ _If the day of bowlers is so bad ; skippper Kohli can cheap in an over or two like_ **in 2016 T20WC.**


abhi8192

You are spamming this shit but not answering the question asked here. How could one be a floater at #4? And why should Pant fill the role of Jaddu when you literally have Jaddu in your side? Also why should Pant and Jaddu play a role they both don't for their respective teams? It's not like India has established middle order that you need to shoehorn certain players. Pant has great record batting at 4. Jaddu has great record finishing the inning. So don't see any point in exchanging their roles. You mention early wicket rebuilding and give that to SKY while you have pant in your team whose whole deal is that he scored almost over 600 runs in a team prone to batting collapses. Although I could agree with the overall strategy of following csk's model, but the way you are presenting it is non-sensical.


Alarmed-Piglet

I'd remove Kishan and replace iyer with sky coz iyer isn't even in the wc squad for some reason.


trojanpun

There's a strong chance India and Pakistan qualify for the semis unless NZ does something crazy with not that much competition apart from that in their group which means them both winning and an Indo-Pak final is a very real possibility.


ramprasadramu

enough for the Indians to spam 2007 and Paks to spam 2017


trojanpun

Lelz. I wouldn't be surprised


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Why would kiwis need to do something crazy to qualify? Even if they don’t punch above their weight, they can still qualify. They’re not that bad. Afghanistan would need to do something crazy to qualify if anything.


trojanpun

No disrespect to NZ, the reason I say that is India has played IPL here and Pakistan PSL in the past Pakistan has won their last 10 t20 internationals in UAE. The conditions favor spinners. If New Zealand beats India and Pakistan in spinning conditions I'd call it incredibly impressive.


SoggyEstablishment80

Please, no.. The stress levels will be off the charts!


trojanpun

Haha. Very true. The recent additional geopolitical tensions would only add to it


M0shka

Please i want to see the highlights but can’t find it anywhere


Xx_Time_xX

https://www.t20worldcup.com/video/2296583


sp1cychick3n

Cheers


thepeacockking

Everyone calling for Bhuvi’s head: worth remembering that in his worst ever IPL, Bhuvi went at 0.3 RPO LOWER than Shardul’s best ever IPL. Bhuvi’s worst ever IPL is also 0.3 RPO better than Shami’s second best ever IPL. And Shami’s 2021 honestly seems like an outlier - he went at 7.5 and his second best season is 8.3. There might be something to be said about form and selecting Shami based on that but it’s insane to compare these guys - Bhuvi is levels above as a T20 bowler on the whole. He’s worth backing.


feelspirit

Not anymore. His balls don't swing and he is not a wicket taker, not reliable at death too. We need to play either Chahar or Shardul or ahead of him and HP has to bowl too.


kingbradley1297

He literally was the best death bowler in England series, and that without Boom. How is everyone's memory so weak


feelspirit

He was the best in the England series, but not anymore.


kingbradley1297

England series was at the start of the year. Post which he wasn't picked due to fitness reasons for WTC and England tour (he doesn't play tests anymore). And then IPL happened. I'm saying don't judge him from a warm up game


feelspirit

What about IPL? He is no longer the bowler he used to be. At one point, he was consistently bowling 140 kmph yorkers. At best, he will give you 4-0-28-1. He is no longer a wicket taker and is also conceding runs.


kingbradley1297

Tell me who is better than him in the current setup who can backup Boom in the PP? Shami is not it. And Shardul has worse economy. He's not a Frontline bowler. But he can easily work best with another good bowler.


feelspirit

Shami can. He is pretty good.


kingbradley1297

And who will be the third pace option, in case one of the two have a bad day?


feelspirit

Shardul.


notabotsrs

The big concern with Bhuvi for me is his lack of pace. He has dropped a few klicks, his control is wayward and he just seems in very bad form in general. He was low key taken apart in Sri Lanka. I agree that historically he gives us the most control after Bumrah as a T20 bowler but he is not in that form rn. Shardul and Shami are expensive but have been dependable wicker takers in the IPL and for India for years now. Shardul is also the best batsman out of all our bowlers (Jadeja is a true all rounder). Overall Bhuvi is the second best Indian T20 bowler but rn there are many other bowlers who have been in better form than him for a while.


Alarmed-Piglet

Yeah, in the long run definitely but if he's in bad form then it isn't worth playing him in a short tournament such as this. Better to go with the inform guy who is high on confidence.


devil_21

Is he that good in UAE though? The broadcasters showed Bhuvi's stats in UAE and they are pathetic. Though I agree that Shardul is a game changing bowler but the problem is that he can turn the game either way by taking 2 wickets in a single over or by bowling 10 times to finish a single over and it's very risky to play him but if Bhuvi has such a poor record in UAE, including him may be a bigger risk.


thepeacockking

There isn’t a good reason (except for form) for Bhuvi’s stats to be worse in the UAE vs India because the conditions are similar. So it feel safe to attribute to small sample + bad form in the second half of this year. He was actually quite good when fit last year. I honestly have no issue with Shardul (if you do the bat deep thing). My issue is largely with Shami. Siraj should’ve been the selection if based on recent form and if it’s based on the overall record, Shami should be nowhere near the India T20I team.


devil_21

I think Shami was selected because of his recent form and experience.


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stgr99

Is it just me or Pandya's hand were looking very thin? Also pretty lackluster show even for a practice match from him.


cosmic_dust09

Yes, I was thinking the same


freakads

Is Varun C being saved for the main tourney? Don't think he will play the remaining warm up as well which is kind of good thinking. Dude has already bowled a lot in IPL. Retains the mystery part as well


pbpdent

Also he played on Friday so mostly some rest


7eventhSense

Varun is currently on injury management. He’s able to play with pain management .. don’t need to play him on warm up.


EntshuldigungOK

No mystery nowadays with all stuff available on recorded video. Once he's known in IPL he's been analyzed fully by now. Every board with money and whichever country's players have played IPL - know his bowling pretty well by now.


Flamingslayer11

Ah yes that’s why he dominated in the IPL right?


abhi8192

He comes up with new ways to remain mysterious, just like Rashid. Nothing to do with the team hiding him, just him being ahead of the teams. Also there is another theory about Rashid which could apply to Varun too. The theory goes that there is an optimum speed to bowl spin which balances spin and batters' ability to react in time. Rashid and Varun might be bowling in that zone.


Flamingslayer11

I feel like Varun is so hard to read because of his unconventional finger/hand positioning.


grumpygrumpz

Pretty sure he is being held back as the mystery option . Gives Rahul chahar some game time as well in the warmups


Koaching

watch r/cricket wanting to drop everyone who will score less than 20 in any match in this upcoming t20 world cup


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Zionview

as is the tradition


noobmax_pro

Would seem stupid but I prefer Koach opening he was pretty good in PP this season but struggled after PP unlike in RCB he doesn't need to bother staying after PP and go out swinging KL is good enough to bat anywhere in the top5 Rohit, Koach, KL, Ishan, Pant, Jaddu, HP/lord, Ash, Varun, Booms, Shami is my ideal XI


Flamingslayer11

Honestly not a bad take. The only problem is Kohli playing hero ball and slowing down after the PP pretty drastically. If he can swallow his ego and keep up the tempo, it will mean Rohit can play anchor with KL coming in and continuing to play at a fast pace.


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That wouldn't be playing to your strength. Rahul was great in the IPL and not going anywhere after today. Even Rohit was better than Kohli in this IPL and Rohit's worst batting comes during IPL IPL 2021 Kohli 15 matches 405 runs SR 119 Rohit 13 matches 381 runs SR 127 Kohli is a great player and he is like the best batting at NO.3 white ball player of all time. He should be fine there. Using him as a 6 over powerplay deal where the thought is that him getting out swinging early after powerplay is better for the team is just very weird


abhi8192

Also counterproductive. He is a batter, he has all his life tried to play as long as possible. Why do we suddenly think he would abandon what has worked for him? And in the process we are putting more pressure on KL and Ishan who can go to ham with the advantage of power play but now will need to do similar job without the fielding restrictions. Could go Pant 2018 way but could also go horribly wrong.


noobmax_pro

Well if there isn't much of a correlation b/w his IPL and Intl T20 form then no change is required but if he actually is struggling after the PP as the IPL form suggested then it makes sense for him to open, Koach is going through a dip even though his limited overs numbers don't show it much because of his class, but his innings aren't that fluent these days.


saravanakumar17

Alright, I'm a bit embarrassed but why do people call Virat as Koach. Seriously...


whah1421

You can find out about that and more [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/wiki/glossary/)


Juggernaut0079

Kohli + coach = Koach


somuchhaireverywhere

Because r/cricket thinks he is the de facto coach of the Indian team!


venkat_gopi

Inshaallah! Boys played well :)


NoTruceBruce

imo, with Kishan scoring runs today, it makes the opening spot a bit tricky. There's no doubt that Rohit comes back, but the top 3 becomes right hander heavy. Rohit's struggles against legspin - at least in the IPL - are well documented. Teams can easily line up legspin against them in the powerplay. This can upset KL's rhythm as well.


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ChepaukPitch

He is still the captain. And who the fuck is going to kick the captain out? It is his decision in the end. Coach, mentor and BCCI don’t have the power except to fire him as captain in middle of world cup because he won’t drop himself.


Mob_Abominator

Yes let's kick the guy who was man of the tournament for the last 2 t20 worldcups.


vvb_12

>if it hurts the ego Dude this is his first and last T20 WC as a captain and you are talking about ego.


highflyer69m

How small is your brain


SBG99DesiMonster

One more Beeg Bren take here smh


NoTruceBruce

Yes, let's kick the captain out before the tournament starts.


Netkeliye

Jesus f**king christ, how come you guys don't get it? I have no doubts about Kohli's talent or capabilities but he clearly is no longer in good form. Us playing Kilo is just wasting crucial spot that could have been used by in a form player. Yes Kilo was man of the tournament but how long was that 4 years ago? He is a different player now than what he was back then.


Niyazali_Haneef

If you want shit takes, r/cricket has a truckload of them.


sharkaim4

Kohli doesn't deserve to be in this squad /s


GlorygloryEA69_

Turn that switch off there's no need for that. He should really drop himself. Two mentors for a team won't be bad


BearDownYo

Off topic but wtf is going on with these random Reddit hoes with their group message invites?? Are you guys getting it too?


ChepaukPitch

I have this message from a hoe who wanted to know if I was male or female. I told her I identified as a cricket pitch. She is still persistent.


[deleted]

mmm let's see those cracks baby. show me your grass


EntshuldigungOK

Got a few long back, stopped when I rejected last 5-6 of them. The ones I joined for a while outta curiosity before dropping out were sex / crypto / MLM


SBG99DesiMonster

Never got one. And I hope I never get one.....have enough of that BS on Insta


BearDownYo

Exactly! Hate those bots... ruining everything.


akb00

That's disgusting, ***where?***


PlanePangolin4673

Those are bots, don't get too much excited. *It's hope that kills*


vvb_12

At this point I am not sure what exactly I am more excited about? India Vs Pakistan or the match thread of that match.


7eventhSense

It’s going to look a lot like this. [Removed]


darklord01998

Mauka mauka mf


FarAbbreviations5879

That comes under Ind v Pak only,it’s all a part of it. The whole experience,open the thread,sort by controversial and grab some popcorn


hellboy786

Seriously we are doing this with Bhuvi?He saved our asses a few months ago against England. Both in T20s and ODIs.


7eventhSense

He’s not getting any swing in UAE. But what’s strange is he don’t bowl all his other variations. I am not sure if he’s just forgetting them or is India trying to keep it for the main leg. Not sure.


Rare-Owl3205

Unfortunately nostalgia doesn't win us games


hellboy786

Nostalgia? That was hardly 5 months?


BigChill101

[I knew there will be people repeatedly bringing that one series while he has been shit ever since then](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/qamjps/match_thread_england_vs_india/hh4bmda?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)


clumplings2

wow, you made a comment 2 hrs back? such insight. clowns!!


thepeacockking

And a comment with zero backup, at that. Bhuvi HAS been below par since but there are levels to this shit: - Mo Shami best ever Ipl season in 2021 had an economy rate of 7.5. 2nd best season is 8.4 in 2014 - Shardul Thakur best ever IPL season is 2017 with an economy rate of 8.3. 2nd best is 8.5 - Bhuvi WORST ever IPL season in 2021 had an economy rate of 8.0. 2nd worst season is 7.9 in 2015


samarthpoopoo

Siraj should be starting ahead of them all, perfectly complements bumrah. And Bhuvi has been subpar for a long time, it's just we don't have a long supply of good t20 pacers


thepeacockking

Absolutely. If the argument is to pick the form bowler, Siraj should have made it over Shami - unreal IPL. If you’re trusting the overall record, Bhuvi makes it in every time.


BigChill101

Atleast I don't simp for players with economy of 13.5 and pace of 125 kph


thepeacockking

Weren’t you simping for Chahar a couple of hours ago? He’s been discount Bhuvi so far in his career (although he is improving)


BigChill101

IPL 2021: Bhuvi: 11 Matches, 6 wickets, 7.97 Eco, Best 1/16 Chahar: 15 Matches, 14 wickets, 8.35 eco, Best 4/13 IPL 2020: Bhuvi: 4 Matches , 3 Wickets, Best 2/25, Eco 6.98 (Coz injured as always) Chahar: 14 matches, 12 wickets, 2/18 , Eco 7.61 IPL 2019: Bhuvi: 15 Matches, 13 wickets, 2/24, 7.81 Chahar: 17 Matches , 22 Wickets, 3/20, 7.47 Chahar is no way near prime Bhuvi. But if you compare last 3 years he is ahead. Also he has advantage of batting too.


thepeacockking

MSD straight up hides Chahar in the death overs. Bhuvi bowls 37% of his overs in the death vs less than 10% for Chahar. This comparison isn’t nearly as straightforward as you make it seem. I will give you that Chahar has been a more consistent wicket taker in the powerplay over the last three years.


BigChill101

Yeah your point is correct too. Chahar is improving but still is far behind Bhuvi in death bowling


pdsvardhan7

My Indian XI for 24th, if Kishan plays well the next warmup match too. 1. Rohit 2. Rahul 3. Ishan 4. Virat 5. Pant 6. Hardik 7. Jadeja 8. Ashwin 9. Chakravarthy/Bhuvi/Shardul (depends on the pitch) 10. Shami 11. Bumrah If a wicket falls early in the PP, Kohli comes in so he can act as an anchor else Ishan to keep the momentum going up in middle overs. A one or two overs would be ideal from Hardik, the only other choice would be Shardul. I feel if the pitches stay the same as IPL, going batting heavy would be the best bet.


EntshuldigungOK

Would Ishan be willing & happy to bat 1 down? Genuine question btw


bashogaya

I truly feel both Rohit and Virat shouldn’t play together in any of the games. One of them we can carry but both at the same time will put too much pressure on other batters.


FarAbbreviations5879

Good team I’d back this but it’s harsh to drop Sky based off one game


pdsvardhan7

Ya it is but, cant ignore Ishan. Thats why I said if Ishan plays well next warmup too, otherwise Sky. To add a little depth, Ishan helps with the left-right combo too, if you believe that sorta stuff.


highflyer69m

Ishan takes a while to get going . He was 8(14) . That’s unacceptable. I know he can make up for it if he clicks. What happens if he doesn’t


ShivyShanky

Really feels like the average age of this sub is 10 now. Like do you guys even watch the match?


FarAbbreviations5879

Yea you’re not wrong there. Otherwise it’s a perfect team,I hope Kohli sees this


Genghis_Khan_40

I would say play shardul in place of Ashwin and play Chakravarty


onlyforytb

Ashwin just bowled 4 overs for under 6 rpo in such a high scoring game. Sometimes I feel bad for him since nothing he does seems to be enough.


Significant-Point-82

This needs to happen.


pdsvardhan7

Thats a good thought


BearDownYo

I don't know why both CSK and Ind don't trust in Lord's pinch hitting abilities...he's a really good hitter at times and may definitely come handy. Currently, he's the closest we currently have as a backup for Pandya.


Genghis_Khan_40

Man how can shardul be replacement of Hardik in batting?


BearDownYo

I said he's the **closest** we have. Also, given Hardik's current form, he's actually better than him.


EntshuldigungOK

Actually, Shardul is better than Kohli definitely and maybe even Rohit/SKY too in the last few months of LOIs going by the numbers you are hinting at. There's something called ability and batting basics (NOT technique) - and frankly speaking, (I don't know how to continue to be polite, so forgive me if you can) only the most **mentally** blind worshipper of Thakur would ignore those basics. HP is outta form - true and currently still trying to feel his way back. How long can he be tried based on his past match-winning exploits? Dunno - 3 matches maybe? Who is his replacement? IMO only Jadeja comes close as a batsman who you can ask to start hitting from ball 1. Lord being better than him as a batsman - the "LOL" comment to your statement sums it up quite nicely. Pandya's bat speed, ability to hit 150 KMPH balls, eye-hand coordination, hitting spinners for sixes from backfoot - the gap is not minor, it's literally oceanic. Lord is a good bowler and a very handy tailender bat who is constantly working on his batting, and it shows. But asking him to replace H Pandya is like asking Jadeja to replace Kohli as of now.


BearDownYo

Yeah no offence but not reading that complete verbal diarrhoea there. I explicitly wrote "given Pandya's recent form", Thakur is better. Not that he is overall better than him. So you could have saved lot of paragraphs had you just kept that factor in mind.


EntshuldigungOK

Thanks - you just proved my point


thepeacockking

LOL


glade_dweller

CSK lost that Final, remember.


MoreOnkar

Bruh only remember CSK lost finale but doesn't remember him doing job in international match guy got SR of 197 in international with 35 balls 68 runs


glade_dweller

Not conflating International with CSK experiences. Both are T20s, but CSK would be rightly upset about losing that final.


TheWyzim

Sample size too small


glade_dweller

Agreed but how many *Finals* do you get to play? PS: [Here's me asking for Lord over Pandya](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/qamjps/match_thread_england_vs_india/hh4rk3a/)


BearDownYo

Yeah 1 match to just cherry pick failure, while so often he has actually shown how to counter attack and hit 6s...


glade_dweller

It is not Cherrypicking if Lord has played in exactly 2 IPL finals. Would you rather discard 1 out of the 2 data points? That's leaving out 50% data. Overfitting much? PS: BTW, [Here's me asking for Lord over Pandya](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/qamjps/match_thread_england_vs_india/hh4rk3a/)


FarAbbreviations5879

I just cannot get used to Steyn as a commentator,he should be playing for SA in the WC. He’s still extremely fit and fast


EntshuldigungOK

Steyn has a good voice and a good on-screen presence. He can be a good commentator. Dunno about his analytical skills / wit / etc. as yet. Steyn the T20 bowler isn't really the best of ideas. That 4th/5th stump line that he loves in test matches would be just smashed to all corners of the park today in T20s.


devyansh1601

No pls I cannot see him getting smacked around the park anymore


ahito2110

Shardhul must play.. he might go for runs.. but he knows how to pull back and take wickets.. hurts to say but Bhuvi needs to step aside.. Rohit, KL, koach, surya/kishan, pant, pandya, jadeja, shardhul, Shami, Bumrah, varun..