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MemeTroubadour

Thread's empty, so I'll just ask something broad. Is it possible to make good dough with my gatherers at 70? I've been trying to bounce between unspoiled nodes when I get the time to just get whatever's rare and maybe sell it but it's not going as quick as I'd hope. My crafters are all around 50 bar armorer and culinarian which are not there just yet, but I'm not sure if there's much I can do with that yet. I keep hearing to find a gap in the market and gain from it, but how exactly do I do that? I don't know every material in the game and I can't exactly track them all at once.


Lionblopp

The others already gave you plenty of advice, so I'll just add one: Offer smaller stacks. A lot of people put up exclusively stacks of 99 because your retainer can only offer 20 offers, and 20x99 is more than 20x20. Eventually people will buy those if they have no other choice and have no own gatherer on this level, or are mass producing at a huge level, so they actually plan to craft so much of the same. But as a crafter who is going for achievements, just wants to craft stuff for GC deliveries or quests or use leftovers or what, let me tell you, this sucks a lot. Yes, you can resell it, but before it it means you have to pay a huge amount of money upfront, for several materials if you are unlucky, instead of a smaller one for a stack of 5. And you will never get this money back due to constant undercutting - unless you craft a lot more than you plan to craft, and then still often have leftovers. (That's why I started leveling all gatherers eventually, if the total price in the market is far higher than the teleport costs for gathering it myself, I'll rather take the time to gather what I need.) This is not just a personal opinion, if you go into the sale history of an item to check how frequently it is sold, you can see, that most of these entries are not the 99 ones. When you have found your niche, it also helps to check the recipes what they are used in. You can visit gamerescape or garland tools or ask a friend. If I need e.g. 5 specific logs for a piece of lumber, I rather buy an amount that can be divided by 5. :)


gaiages

Yeah, splitting my stacks have helped a lot in trying to sell items I know people need, especially for quests or leves. People are also willing to pay more per item in order to get less overall too. I know I'll buy 10 of an item at 400g each if it means I don't need to buy 99 of an item at 200g each It also means that getting undercut doesn't matter as much too if you do proper stacks :)


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Lionblopp

Indeed. Though check beforehand if whatever you want to sell is available at vendors. Every major city has a trader that can sell you rock salt for idk 3 gil or so. It's unlikely people would buy it for 1000 gil on the market.


Cr4ckshooter

The opposite is true actually. People fairly often by vendor stuff on the MB because of laziness and ignorance. I sold stacks of straw for 200gil per in the past.


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VG896

I actually don't get why people do this. You need to list a few gil above price to clear tax. Same with people listing stuff for lower than you'd get just dumping to an NPC. You can vendor trash directly from your retainers, even.


ohanse

Bad math


Cr4ckshooter

> Nice to do every now and then though. Yup, that describes it. Good thing is, your investment is very low, so you can easily eat it. When 1 stack out of 10 sells, your profit is already there, might as well delete the other stacks.


Lionblopp

Yes and no, it's not necessarily a question about laziness. A lot of people won't bother going to the vendor if the market board is right next to them if they have so much gil they don't really need to care. But remember that travel costs are a thing. Am I hanging around at a place where traveling to the vendor would me cost 1200 gil per teleport? (Even if one is your home point, you still have the way back.) It might not be a thing with rock salt, that's really everywhere, but if you need something from a specific guild vendor or a tomestone vendor or whatever, traveling to the next market board and getting straw for 200 gil might still be cheaper in the end. So yes, selling basic stuff might be indeed more efficient up to a certain point. However, that is very situational. A friend of mine crafted a bunch of steel pans in High Quality, which is an ARR tool but better than the stuff at the vendor. I wouldn't be surprised if she still has some of them for sale, they sold so bad... So.. you can do it, but it's risky. Do your research. :)


minhbi99

So the thing about " a gap" in the market is, it just doesn't magically show if you blindly search for it, rather it apepars naturally when you look for items you need. Goods can only sell if there is a "need" for it, and who is better acting as a simulation for "need" other than you yourself. Lets take for example you are doing your GC turns in for experience, and you might think "Well I can either craft/mine/collect this, or I can check the marketboard and see which items I can just buy fot cheap". Often time, chances are you wont find "cheap" things, and there are your "gaps". If you need to buy something that has high prices, that means there is a reason it has high price, and its for you to judge whether its good to invest in that commodity and sell it. Reasons varies from "goods sell to slow", or "it's a pain to make" or "it's limited time collectable" etc.. and you have to decide whether the gimmicks, the cons is worth the gil you can make. Finally, a clear example of something that hopefully wont situate to the crash of one commodity: Jetblack/snow white dye. Soot Black Dye/snowwhite dye can be bought for 216 gil each after you reached the 1st stage of the ARR crafting tribe. If you finish it's gimmick and unlock the ability to buy the dye, you can easily buy a stack of the dye, and resell it on MB depends on the current MB value. On good days, like when fashion week needs jetblack/pure dye, price can go for as high as 1000 gil per, netting an easy 800 gil profit per dye sold. Multiply by 99 and thats 79200 gil profit per stack sold. (Didnt count tax in yet) But on a low week, it can merely sell for 250-300 per, which is still nice, but not as much gain as the golden week. Edit: Soot black dye not Jet black dye.


sumphatguy

Small correction, it's soot black dye. Jet black is the expensive retainer coffer one.


AstralsWinter

I've touched on the general topic [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/u8354g/regarding_the_overall_concept_of_making_gil_from_x/) (it's a long read). The thing with pushing out rare mats is you might have trouble meeting demands. Some rare mats are for crafting rare things, which only a select amount of people will want or will want it at an extremely low frequency. So basically you're going to need to find out where the demand is in your market, which depends on what your market wants. One hint I can give is go through your recipes list. Note re-occuring mats. Then go to the wiki and see if they span out over expacs. Finally check the MB to see how the supply / demand is looking.


riklaunim

You can check my old post - [https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/spyg5t/lord\_lolorito\_nanarito\_doesnt\_want\_you\_to\_know/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/spyg5t/lord_lolorito_nanarito_doesnt_want_you_to_know/) \- some old things do sell, especially farmed from mobs (either via combat retainer or by WoL). And if you have some gear above 50 you can also try crafting "perfect" HQ items needed for ARR relic chain.


aprikitty

>Is it possible to make good dough with my gatherers at 70 Treasure hunting is great! Just pick up a lvl 60 or lvl 70 8-player treasure map and either 1. sell it or 2. do the hunt and hope for good loot. Since the portals that may pop are ilvl synced instances I just don't hop in.


Nibel2

>Since the portals that may pop are ilvl synced instances I just don't hop in. Except for ShB/EW maps, you can solo the instances as BLU. It's not *easy*, especially if you get a rare boss with tankbusters, but if you have the right spell loadout, it's doable.


Lionblopp

DoH/DoL veterans! What do you think we will get as special tools in Endwalker? I know, most crafters don't really care about the crafting process with macros doing most of the work as long as the sales go well, and likely don't care about how their tools look. (Nothing wrong with that, crafting is for making gil.) But I like shiny things in general and tools are no exception. Up until Stormblood fancy tools were tied to the "I made/caught/found that" achievements. (There are also those Lucis/Supra tools but I don't think they have special effects...?) But in Shadowbringers we suddenly had crafting relics with the Skysteel Tools and the Resplendent tools for crafters became expert crafting things while the ones for gatherers remained achievement rewards. What are your guesses? Do you think they will go back to "I made that" stuff for crafters and gatherers or is this too unlikely because the list of items is quite big by now? Would you consider it possible that they'll limit it to "relics" like the Skysteel tools in the future? From what I vaguely remember that and the Resplendent tools from Shb got a mixed response.


Cr4ckshooter

> I know, most crafters don't really care about the crafting process with macros doing most of the work as long as the sales go well, and likely don't care about how their tools look. (Nothing wrong with that, crafting is for making gil.) But I like shiny things in general and tools are no I might be in the minority, but I craft by hand, with a passion. Doesn't mean I like hqing 20 eblan danburites before I can make some items, luckily I don't need any hq mats for current crafts. As for shiny things, have you seen the skybuilders saw? That thing is gorgeous. The artstyle with the prismatic base and blue glow is so amazing, way better than resplendent tools. But resplendent tools are golden, it's a real dilemma. I think they will introduce a new set of resplendent tools, with another name maybe. There isn't exactly a framework to put relics into unless they pull out another restoration.


Lionblopp

Yay, a fellow manual crafter! \^\^ The skybuilder's saw is really pretty! My favourite is the alchemist tool though, because the whole thing has this effect similar to the old "Blood of the Dragon" dragoon skill. The lack of a new restoration thing is a good point, I haven't thought about that yet. They might come up with a project similar to the Doman Enclave restoration, or Tataru shenanigans, but you are right, it is unlikely they pull anything as big as the Ishgard restoration out of their hats.


Chrondeath

Garlemald Restoration?


Lionblopp

It's certainly something I'd love to see one day, but depending on what might follow up on that follow up, the follow-up role quest might interfere with this. (The one you get once you finished all EW role quests.) Hm... >!Ultima Thule restoration? There is this Loporrit with the Omicron that are trying to create a café.!< (EW optional dungeon spoiler)


Cr4ckshooter

That spoiler could make total sense. Maybe its gonna be the EW crafting beast tribe? The 6.1 tribe is combat i think?


Xevren

I honestly was thinking it could be a Custom delivery at some point.


Lionblopp

Was also considering it a Custom Delivery but now where something else was announced, I am not sure. From what I figured there was not really a clear line so far on how many of those are being released. There seem to be three for Shadowbringers, three for Stormblood and... one for Heavensward? xD But who knows, maybe in a later patch. Or it will indeed be something else entirely and then it would be a good opportunity for special crafting stuff.


tinykoalawizard

Dude I love hand crafting. I don’t even know why exactly, like logically I know it’s just code and pixels, but I really enjoy the satisfaction of being able to make things in this game. Like I’m gonna make a rebel coat and calfskin pants later for a glam I want to do, and being able to just make it myself is so satisfying. So yes I’ll definitely try to get at least one of the DoH/DoL relic tools. I hope they put more into the game too!


Cr4ckshooter

Are you my brother?


tinykoalawizard

CRAFTING BRO HELL YEAH


VG896

I'm at about 3mil towards pteranodon mount on DoH and literally only use macros for medicine/food. I've done every piece of gear, glam, furnishing, and collectable manually all the way to 90. It's rewarding and fun. I don't get the appeal of using macros. Like, why bother leveling a job if you're not going to play it?


Cr4ckshooter

Totally with you here. In fact i am at 1.7m towards DoH myself, and 650k towards DoL. I don't understand why people dislike crafting. Its so much better than what wow does where you just click craft and wait. Sure, its annoying when you want to craft like 30 items, spending 1 min per item every time. If you ask me, the game could use a form of "batch crafting" where you can create 3 items at once, just like cul and alc can naturally. But yeah macros are weird. Multiple people in my FC have no clue how their buttons work, or why they are used in the way they are, but copy a macro from a guide and make the master items. Really unsure if i like that.


Chrondeath

I like to manually come up with my own rotations in Teamcraft, and then turn them into a macro to use them in game because if I don't there's a pretty decent chance that I'll screw it up, either by missing a step or by trying to adjust on the fly to take advantage of a condition proc and unwittingly screwing up something down the line. Also just not wanting to do the manual thing for 100+ crafts or whatever. Flying unguided and taking advantage of procs is fun, but I feel like it requires...a lot of slack space in my stats vs recipe. If it's not something I overgear, then the successful path is too narrow to wing it, I have to calculate out the whole thing, and if I end up having to do a bunch of math about whether I can afford two Touches here or only one or whether the next progress step will complete it, I may as well do all that in Teamcraft ahead of time without materials at risk.


Lionblopp

It depends on what you are wanting to do with the things you craft. I can understand if someone doesn't want to manually click together 200+ collectables for the firmament for speedleveling, or for getting 1000 pieces of whatever leather or ingots together for mass production. When your gear is good enough, hitting the condition procs is also not that important anymore, you can get to HQ without it. And if a person is just in it because they want to earn gil with the product, not because they like crafting, this is sufficient to achieve that. Personally though I just don't do it because I like the process of crafting and consider it a waste of materials to risk low quality due to ignoring procs. I do however built myself one or two "rotations" with teamcraft for endgame materials/gear that I do manually and alter accordingly when the procs appear. (Or at least did that for Shb, still have to do this for EW.) Don't want to waste that precious Immutable Solution and Hannish Fiber to my clumsiness. xD Leveling crafters by straight up copying macros and never bother with actually getting to know your skills is wild though.. and might also be inefficient. A friend of mine did this but didn't really get good results and asked me questions for what to improve. (She doesn't care that much about crafting, she just wants gil. Which is a need I can relate to.) When I noticed she doesn't really know anything about those skills, I gave her a crash course and explained all skills, the conditions etc. and at the end she realized the macro she googled was simply not that good. She managed to improve it for the Firmament collectables and had a much better time. :)


AstralsWinter

There's two sides on how it could work. First is that remember Firmament is only a portion of a larger city and we've only resorted that portion. So more restoration is within the realm of possibilities. Coming out of that: * It could just be more restoration expert recipes with new locations to restore * SE decides to do something else for DoH/DoL "relic" tools separated from Ishgard restoration but keeps the expert recipe system as the "grinding" part * SE decides to do something else for DoH/DoL "relic" tools separated from Ishgard Restoration with a new system that replaces expert recipes or just something else entirely The first would probably be easier to implement especially if they keep the NPCs turn-in area the same. Second would be ideal from a "something fresh" standpoint without having to pour too much into implementation. The last one would be somewhat risky as it would depend on reception of a new system, and also take the longest amount of time to implement.


Nibel2

> It could just be more restoration expert recipes with new locations to restore I mean, in 6.1 we learn that >!Vrtra is building a new orphanage in Thavnair, and you can see the construction starting near Yedlihmad, which wasn't there in 6.0.!< Yeah, the possibility exists.


Fluffy-Apocalypse

What do I spend my bicolours on right now for casssh. Luncheon toad skins are looking decent?


MyChosenUserna

Vouchers have a rather stable price and sale volume (at least here), but as always it depends on your local market and current fluctuations.


SmoreOfBabylon

You might want to look into the gemstone vouchers on your server, which you need a lot of to get one of the EW mounts. The vouchers are tradeable.


casul

I know this is super in advance, but I’m fairly new to all this. Are there any current mats that would be suggested to stock up for the next tier?


LineNoise54

Pretty much everything is going to be brand new mats for the new raid tier. There will probably be new Master books, so stock up on your favorite white scrip mats. And the Immutable Solution is probably gonna stick around. But the basic lumber/cloth/stone are all going to be brand new stuff.


VG896

I made a killing on patch day because the week before, I spent a couple of hours calculating the best scrip turn-ins on my server then stockpiled them like mad. I kept a stack for my own turn-ins then resold the rest at like a 400% markup. I easily made like 3mil that day alone.


Bluenide

Recently bought the game and I'm still new to the Marketboard. What is the maximum amount of things a retainer can be selling? I thought it was 17, but I swear it rose to 19. Is it dependent on the retainer's level?


sumphatguy

It's 20 listings per retainer, and retainer level shouldn't matter. You can see the number of listings out of 20 (X/20) at the bottom of the window when viewing what you have for sale on the retainer.


LordQueri

20.


255BB

I just unlocked Qitari quests. And it seemed I have to choose between 2 choices about Ronka King (not sure about a name). What choice should I choose? A son or a father path? But I'm thinking about a good/optimistic path.


Lionblopp

That's entirely up to you. :) I went with the optimistic road because the Qitari and the Viis deserve a nice history, but I still wonder how the other path might turn out. You can also mix it afaik, choose a more balanced/nuanced take.


255BB

Thank you.


goob99

So, after a couple of months of playing, I finally lost the sprout tag and am in the middle of Endwalker. Once I hit 90, I plan to get all my crafters to 90 (they are all currently 80ish or so thru leveling in Ishgardian Restoration). Once I hit 90, what's the best/cheapest way to gear? Ideally I would like to gather/craft rather than buy, since I'm new I only have around 2M in gil, and I'd really rather not spend it unless I had to. I've read the Materia Melding guide on Teamcraft, which is definitely helpful, but I'd like to know the best way to even get the HQ Pactmaker's stuff without relying on the market board.


KickzNGigglez

Buying it straight off the MB is honestly the best way to go at it right now if you're going straight from level 80 gear. The market has largely stabilized and the pieces are barely a few percentages above material price. This means that going through intermediate steps is more likely to lose you money.


Lionblopp

I crafted all my pactmaker gear myself a while ago, but it is very hard to achieve this without buying anything. Not because of a lack of skill or anything, some of the items you need to craft it, require a perception rating that you won't be able to gather with stuff on lower levels. If one has the normal lvl 90 gear with some materia in it (I don't remember how much and which one, but I had some overmelded pieces), trying to squeeze a few more points in perception out of it so you are able to gather it at all, might suffice. But if you aren't even there yet, getting the normal level 90 gear, overmelding that one and then gather stuff for making a completely new set right after... I'd consider this inefficient. xD I think I bought some of the materials that were out of reach for me, crafted just enough in addition to my lvl 90 gear that my perception was high enough and then slowly built my gatherer and crafter set from there. Not entirely sure if a whole set of gatherer gear for purple scrips would also do the trick, but scrip farming so many scrips that it is ok for a whole set, would take a lot of time. Tl;dr: Buy some of the materials that are out of reach and craft one or two pieces with this, put materia in it so your perception rating is high enough and then go from there. You can also buy one or two pieces in HQ from the market board, that's just very expensive atm, but the price likely dropped at least a bit until you are at 90. So you would still rely on the market board, but not for two full sets. (The pactmaker gear has no jewelry btw, so all the normal 90 "right side" stuff should be easy for you to make yourself.)


LineNoise54

It's very possible to self-farm your way to catching up, still. Once you get to 90, you want to craft the i560 gear (AR-Caean, etc). This can be done in level 80 Handsaint gear fairly easily. Go ahead and meld the heck out of the accessories, because that's the best we have until 6.3, and the extra stats will help with future steps. Then check out the Teamcraft guide for "Endgame Crafting Rotations". Right up top there's a set of rotations for crafting the new Pactmaker stuff with fairly minimal stats. Don't worry about Control beyond the bare minimum to even attempt the craft, but do pay attention to the Craftsmanship/CP numbers. Depending on how heavy you did your right side, you can get to the minimums with just the guaranteed slots on the left side and tools. Once you've got the minimums, I suggest farm up the mats for the whole set and do it in one go before you actually swap out pieces or remeld anything. For gathering, it's basically the same progression. Get to 90, get the 560 gear, meld the right side heavily, meld the left side as little as possible (concentrate on Perception, because it's a hard minimum at 32xx for Danburite/Corn), farm up your stuff for Pact, then meld that. I would completely ignore Scrip gear at the point in the sequence, because it's all class-based, so it's a *lot* of extra farming. Better to just use the very cheap 560 gear to bootstrap. Save your purple scrip for the massive amount of Immutable Solution you need.


KevinJay21

Buy all the left-side gear. You can probably craft the integral accessories yourself, if you don't have enough craftsmanship, just buy it. Buy only Blacksmith tools and craft the other tools. You may also want to buy GSM tools too if Eblan Danburite's are expensive on your DC and don't want to shell out for 6 of them for crafting each set of tools. You can spend time gathering everything you need, but raw mats are so cheap it isn't worth your time. As always, YMMV on your DC, so you will need to do your own cost-benefit analysis. Remember to world swap within your DC. For instance, gear within my own DC can fluctuate 20-30K between worlds.


VG896

If you're willing to meld slowly you can just pick up the materia yourself. The most expensive mat for new gear is immutable solution, so if you get that yourself you've basically already cut your cost almost in half. After that you can buy or gather all the rest of the materials. Note that on Behemoth, they're basically not worth even selling. Materials cost 70-80k and the gear is selling for 90-95k.


manderrx

Finally got my DOH to 90, took a month and a half and feel accomplished (started at zero for all of them). I’m terrible at reading the market board and from what I can tell sorting by demand is useless. I do check history as well and if I see something sell frequently over the last few days I’ll post it. I know that selling gear is where it’s at, but I’m not quite sure what to look for when it comes to picking targets. I can’t do the newer stuff because I don’t have the gathering books for it yet (that’ll be done tonight hopefully). My approach has been sort by demand, look for something selling at a decent rate, and then seeing if it’s actually selling or not. Is that the best way or should I stick with recent things?


KevinJay21

>I know that selling gear is where it’s at So I have made about 500M gil just selling gear. The secret? Not selling the most current level gear. If you want to make gil, you will need to find out what sells and if there's demand for it. Super high demand items feel like a trap (outside of patch days) because you will be competing with tons of bots and undercutters. However, if you're on 24/7 and camp your retainer, then maybe this method is for you though. I've been making millions of gil with my crafters at level 70 for the longest time, so sorry to break the news to you but max level crafting + master recipes is not the only/most efficient way to make gil. Although having level 90 trained eye DOES help speed up refilling your stock.


manderrx

I didn’t know trained eye was a thing until I finally got it and I love it. I made gear for my retainers out of boredom and it was so nice. I made gear that looked like it was high demand and it hasn’t moved yet. That’s why I was questioning what I was doing. I’m probably going to go and cruise the MBs on the rest of my DC to see if that is the issue. However, I’m just really bad at seeing what is good and what isn’t. I’m sure that comes with time but for right now I’m flailing wildly and hoping for the best - lol.


Lionblopp

So true... I've been going for the "I made that" achievements with two characters, which leaves me with a ton of stuff that is not endgame gear. And wow, this stuff sells at times! Maybe not the earliest stuff that you can get on vendors, and not the stuff at full levels where you can get much better gear for tomestones/scrips. But I feel like the prices for Heavensward gear went up with EW, since people don't have tons of HW loot from relic FATE farming blocking their inventories anymore. It's not uncommon to pay 30.000-50.000 gil for gatherer jewelry on that level.


VG896

I used to just go through and look for items that had 0-2 listed, then from those narrow it down even further to items that sell regularly enough (2-3 per week). I did this until I had about 3-4 mil. After that I started selling glams. I'd hop servers to get the materials as cheap as possible. I did this until I was about 7mil. Then EW launched and I made like 10mil opening weekend just selling RPR gear. Right now, you can expect the furniture market to explode next week when they reopen the lottery.


manderrx

Good thing I got bored yesterday and crafted furniture for the lulz. I'll try that method out and see where I get. Thank you. :)


Shooter_McGavin___

> I know that selling gear is where it’s at Not necessarily. If you try to sell the latest and highest ilvl gear you'll probably be competing with a bunch of players + bots and depending if you craft or buy the mats, your profit will be low (and you'll have to keep babysitting the MB to undercut everyone). What you can do is check on the intermediary mats for gear, for example. A lot of people are lazy and just buy it but you can make pretty good money if you craft and sell them HQ. If you gather your own mats then even more gil. Also, foods and tinctures are items that people always need, so you can look into those as well. Their demand varies with release of new content but at least in my DC the best foods always sell well. Don't ignore transmog items or lower level gear as well. Can't give any specific advice here because it varies from server to server, but just dig around in your MB and you can find some untapped niches. Last thing, don't underestimate people's lazyness. I make a reasonable amount of gil selling shit on the MB that vendors sell for a fraction of the price.


manderrx

I posted an item way over vendor without realizing it and someone bought it anyway. The vendor you could buy it from was like right next to the mb.


Blowy00

Look at what is happening in game, what gears are new, what glamours are new, what high level content is being procced, and what all of these things need (and particularly what's annoying to make).


Nibel2

At least for me, level 30, 42-44, and X6-X7 gear is usually what sell very quick. I imagine that's because they are at the point where the previous poetics gear start to be inferior ilevel, but not high enough that there is just a small window to use them before the next poetics gear is available. And given that they are available on NPCs, you can post HQ gear at vendor price, make a decent profit, and sell relatively quick. Also, it's always worthy to craft one or two furniture pieces that sell in the millions and just let it sit there forever for the off-chance someone is on the mood to get their own Crystal Tower or something like that.


KyteRivers

When will the “big fish” be released for EW? Or are they already in game?


ChungusMcBrumpus

There are several already available, and will continue to be added throughout the patches.


AstralsWinter

One thing to keep in mind with current expac big fish is they often require more stats than the standard 90 gatherer non-pentamelded will provide. So even if you have the ability to fish them up, min stats not being met might gatekeep you anyways into continues fish gets away. Teamcraft is the only site I know of off the top of my head that lists such min gathering requirements. You'll also need the fishing tomes via white scrip trade ins to see most of the fish as well.


Oversoul91

What’s the best way to clear out my armory chest and turn a profit? So far I’ve been turning them in for GC seals and buying glamour prisms with them.


KickzNGigglez

I usually level classes that share the same armor at the same rate so I can dump their leveling gear without worry. My GC seal buys are usually glamour prism and coke. It's usually coke since most people use plates now for glamouring, so there isn't as much demand for it.


KickinBird

Just realized, since the last time I heard people talking about "coke" I've completely maxed my gc and bought out all the stuff I need for those seals.... Still never found out what that refers to? Is coke one of the mats you need for the relic grind?


Ayamgoreng53

If I’m sitting on white scrips for DoH and DoL, would it be better to do Resplendent or Skysteel? How long roughly would it take to obtain one ?


Lionblopp

Both are very grind heavy. The Resplendent ones are less complex when it comes to getting the material, but they require crafting a ton of Expert Crafting recipes, which follow a slightly different system than normal crafting and are really RNG heavy. Skysteel Tools have several stages, more like battle relic weapons, of which only the last one is a bunch of Expert Crafting. But you have to handle different items for this and go to places. How long it takes, is up to you, like with every grind. It is less tough than on release though if you are at 90 and fairly well geared. I did my skysteel tools when it was current content. Getting the Expert Crafting done is probably easier and faster now. (Never tried a resplendent crafting tool.) (If you are not super interested in the tools themselves but just don't want to waste scrips, most go for master recipes and materia for pentamelding endgame DoH/DoL gear or selling it. Since EW is out, the tools are purely for glamour, like all relics.)


Ayamgoreng53

Cool thanks. Yeah they will be used for glamours. I’m 90 , maybe I’ll sell for scrips for materias I guess


Lionblopp

Btw, not sure if you know, but you can also get some of these "Oddly specific" and "Oddly delicate" items for Skysteel tool for Skybuilder Scrips. :)


Ayamgoreng53

Hmm ok. I’ll take a look. Not sure at the moment . Leaning towards just selling materias


Ferric_Vir

So I'm just starting to get into other crafting/gathering jobs after getting BSM to 40, what tips would the experts give to sprouts or people like me who were just getting started on crafting/gathering to level quickly and have a good experience with all of the jobs?


KickzNGigglez

For leveling, I suggest taking it slowly with daily Leves, grand company turn ins, and beast tribe. I would also suggest leveling them all at the same pace since they're all interconnected. If you're bored and just want to gather/craft, I suggest looking into craft/gathering script turn ins. Ishgardian restoration is also decent exp and functions like script turn ins but there's not much money to be made there anymore. If you're a sprout still on the free trail, I'd wait till you buy the game to get into crafting as the inventory space becomes an issue. A lot of materials are dirt cheap on the market board as well. At most, I'd just do daily leves just so they don't go to waste. I also wouldn't expect to be making bank crafting. A lot of new players get into crafting with gil on their minds but they usually get baited into an oversaturated market like the latest BiS crafted consumables. They usually compete with themselves and bots barely making up material cost and sometimes even selling at a loss. The only time making the best gear/consumables is worth while is during the first week of the patch that introduced them.


cohenaj1941

Hi there many of you might have seen the spiffing brit tutorial on trading between servers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31ey9tEPyTQ I made a tool that perfects this process and tells you exactly what to buy and where to buy it. Try out the tool here:https://www.ff14advancedmarketsearch.com/


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chaostheories36

I spent a good few months messing with 18 different retainers selling primal weapons made by ONE person. And he was jacking the prices up 3 or 4x higher than appropriate. Every time he undercut me by one I would undercut him by 10k. I never lost money doing this and got a lot of stuff back to a reasonable price.


tinykoalawizard

Yep, I do exactly this too, and idc about undercutting by 10k or more. Especially if it’s something that didn’t cost me gil or if I’m still making way more than what I spent in gil/time, cuz I’ll still turn a profit anyway. I’ll even compare to other world marketboards and adjust my price accordingly. Yeah it’s a little annoying but nothing that ruins my day as I add more gil to the gil pile.


chaostheories36

Makes the game more accessible to those that don’t have as much time. Especially when the most expensive material is 300k and listing it for 700k? I’m starting mine at 500k lol.


tinykoalawizard

Just wanted to share with you that I crashed the rebel boots market on my server messing with someone that’s definitely botting on most of the data center (kinda hard to miss when you name your retainers similarly). It was fun and I still made gil, ggez.


minhbi99

If you have people constantly undercutting, then perhaps that commodity you have is simply too common~. A great community doesnt mean people would submit to your needs of making quick gil lol.


fyrefox45

Make sure what you're in isn't being botted. Every server has at least one omnicrafter bot service running that is... Annoying to compete with. If you look and see one crafters name as the lowest item on a large majority of 50k+ items, that's the likely culprit. They'll be an an FC with an alt that's just 8 low levels with maxed out retainer slots that go back and forth to the FC chest and mb in starting cities 24/7.