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Arabs are racist towards non-arabs especially Pakistanis.

Arabs are racist towards non-arabs especially Pakistanis.

its_up_there_smewhre

Unfortunately, this seems to be true. Almost everyone who has moved from Middle East to Canada, that I have met, has complained of this vociferously.


modi_halal_beef_ny

Every mosque has that arab who *knows better and starts shouting


LittleLionMan82

Every mosque has that whether they're Arab or not.


Ramo-98

Tell me something I don't know


N0things

That a muslim is supposed to offer five prayers a day.


Ramo-98

....how did you know I was missing my prayers???????


NubbyMcNubNub

Statistics


3h60gKs

Not all.


N0things

Yes, Arabs have been exempted from offering fajar prayer.


BhrtIncl

What I find funny is that our conservatives, who love to call others as "western boot lickers," boot lick these racist Arabs like crazy. At least "western boot lickers" are actually given human rights when they are in the west. The same can't be said about these Arab countries.


SpacevsGravity

Yeah but those westerns bomb the shit out of millions everyday but hey, whatever helps you cope.


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KunnFayyaKunn

Who gives the Saudis the bombs? The so-called bastion of human rights countries.


weirdassman

Lol even when Saudi are bombing yeman because they are rich af and could buy a lot of bombs from anyone, let's put blame on the west. Fuck saudi


KunnFayyaKunn

I never said that Saudis don't bomb. And it's suddenly weird you and everyone else keep talkig shit about Arabs but suddenly have concern for Yemenis, who \*checks notes\* are Arabs.


weirdassman

Well I can shit about rich stupid crazy Arabs and sympathize with poor suffering ones. What's wrong with that?


KunnFayyaKunn

Stop generalizing, then?


Fabulous_Iron_7281

Yea because being at war with people means you should only shout at them and call them names right?


Loose_Craft3846

We did nothing wrong in Yemen. Iranian propaganda obviously exaggerating their fake news to gain appealing for westerns and other Muslim countries.


BhrtIncl

So you think that makes it okay to boot lick people who treat us like this... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-W-i7MqdK8&ab\_channel=TahirKhanOfficial](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-W-i7MqdK8&ab_channel=TahirKhanOfficial) or humiliate us like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu1tjYQOZaw&ab\_channel=RashidAkram Please give an honest answer and don't deflect.


NotYourAverageIQ

First link is in prison, second is a prank that arabs do with ourselves too. Whats your point?


BhrtIncl

So you are denying the mistreatment of our people? Are you saying Pakistanis are never mistreated in the gulf countries? Please stop, for people who pretend to be holy warriors for Islam, be honest once in your life.


NotYourAverageIQ

Even saudis are mistreated in our (saudi) prisons lmao, welcome to real life. Anyone can be mistreated regardless of ethnicity or nationality, you are not special and no one is out to get pakistanis. Many pakistanis in saudi are racist towards saudis too, they call us lazy, undermining our work ethics, our “honesty” like you just did, and just about everything. Now are all pakistanis as bad as you? Nope, i had pakistani friend who was cool, born and grew up in saudi


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NotYourAverageIQ

Im saudi dude, im giving you my perspective


BhrtIncl

Then my comment is not aimed at you. My comment is aimed at Conservative Pakistanis who declare anyone who want's freedom and democracy to be "Western boot lickers" But then turn around and simp for Arabs, despite shockingly racist treatment. You can't deny this, there are countless videos of abuse of every kinds against people from developing countries. [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/23/world/middleeast/afghanistan-taliban-deal-united-states.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/23/world/middleeast/afghanistan-taliban-deal-united-states.html) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMHxlbSL0U8&ab\_channel=TRTWorld](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMHxlbSL0U8&ab_channel=TRTWorld) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzLwQkcS74k&ab\_channel=HuffPostLive](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzLwQkcS74k&ab_channel=HuffPostLive) etc etc


NotYourAverageIQ

Last two emaratis were both arrested. I didnt say there CANT be mistreatment, those who work for little pay are the most vulnerable for such, given many of them cant hire an attorney, usually get bad long hours, and cant even speak the language. These are the factors that make them vulnerable, not race or whatever, no migrant or nationality is specifically targeted. This is my opinion.


SpacevsGravity

Did I say Arabs are okay?


weirdassman

A lot of human rights bro. A refugee status in country like France can get you a LOT of things. In Arab countries, you are a slave who deserve to be treated badly. Fuck Arabs and their superiority for that barbaric thing they feel they created


BhrtIncl

Yep and there are people on r/Pakistan who will call you a "Western bootlicker" for wanting human rights like in the west, while they simp for Arabs who would not lift a finger to save you if they could.


nycbay

who made you refugee in first place??


weirdassman

Lol classic argument. Cause your country is shit and is being ruled by shit and fellow Arabs don't give a flying fuck about you. And where do you run to.. yes Europe not your brotherly Muslim country.


KunnFayyaKunn

Maybe bootlickers on both sides should get f---ed.


BhrtIncl

I only see one side claiming the other is a boot licker, funny enough the real boot lickers are the ones calling others "western boot lickers"


KunnFayyaKunn

>I only see one side claiming the other is a boot licker, f Says the guy saying this: >What I find funny is that our conservatives, who love to call others as "western boot lickers," boot lick these racist Arabs like crazy. lol


BhrtIncl

yep, can't say anything intelligent so only can reply with "lol"


KunnFayyaKunn

I said plenty, lmao. \*Jojo voice\* Your next line is going to be calling me a mullah or something.


BhrtIncl

My next like is to call you intellectually lacking as you literally have said nothing, ever. We have butted heads before and you seem to enjoy showcasing your innate lack of intelligence. ​ \*\*Edit\*\* It just occurred to me that you are probably stalking me as you always seem to reply to my comments..... bro, get a hobby, and get off reddit.


GullibleAirport732

What a stupid comparison. Majority of conservatives don't like Arabs either man. And even if they do, for the sake of argument, doesn't change the fact you guys are Western bootlickers.


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Acceptable_Dare_6065

He doesn’t know…Pakistanis literally have more and better rights in west then in saudi arabia..for example i live in the US.I can vote,Drive,work,join army, and i even have a pistol permit and a pistol at home.I don’t think I would have these rights in saudi arab lol middle east literally use people from Pakistan,India,nepal,sri lanka and bangladesh as cheap,shit labor and send them back when their towers are built.


BhrtIncl

Bro, according to our mullah brigade, you are now a western bootlicker!! These people simp so hard for Arabs yet its the western world that actually gives us rights when we are in their countries.


Acceptable_Dare_6065

I have also noticed...Middle easterns or even turkish or azarbaijan don't really care about us that much.We need to get over the muslim ummah thing.I remember when Pakistan did atomic blasts in 1998 Mullahs came on tv and said this is not pakistan's nuclear bomb but Muslim umma's nuclear bomb like WTF o\_O


mint3d

Even my Palestinian friends are racists towards non-arabs.


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Dark__Prince

I have both as "friends" they talk shit about other people (arabs about persians, persians about arabs etc) you'd best believe they're gonna talk shit about you too behind your back.


marzipanking

Pakistani background but I was born in Saudi Arabia as my father was posted there. My family hated it there, from medical practitioners, police and just average citizens, my parents reckon they all thought of themselves as superiors and treated Pakistanis as second class lower citizens. It’s a shame, they are very hypocritical people.


spindriftur

I believe it 100%. My little brother went to an Islamic school funded by the Saudi gov here in the US. We've gotten numerous complaints from him about kids making fun of his skin color and being treated differently. Arabs are something else.


Agent_Smaug

We literally have the same skin color


Raza1985

I have worked asa Cashier sales person in one of a Novelty product wholesale store owned by a pakistani man, I have dealt with White, Arabs, Hispanic and Desis, but the most tough and rude customers I have seen are unfortunately Arabs. Arabs who are from palestine, Jordan, Saudia. The good ones I have seen are egyptians and some iraqis but not all.


homsickprogrammer

Well, Saudi Arabia and most of the middle-east was ruled very differently. Like,few family ruled whole country, controlled all of oil and money, to control the public and not start a civil uprising, normal people were given free money to spend, and keep anger down. You get the money, food for free, while you can hire maids for more luxury. You gonna get spoiled society at the end.


LittleLionMan82

Yes but when the oil runs out they won't know how to function. I met some of these students who go abroad to learn English or pursue other studies (managed rental properties they were in). Their tuition is covered by the Saudi government plus they are given a stipend to cover their housing and food expenses. Unsurprisingly they are some of the laziest people you will meet. Whenever I called them, day or night they were usually sleeping...plus they had terrible standards of cleanliness (probably because they never had to clean in their lives). I should say most were like this, some were very clean, responsible, etc. Plus we never had any issuse with the females just the males.


induswala

The patronizing attitude towards Desis isnt limited to rich Gulfies. Not that I care how they feel about us, I just want Pakis to not put these ppl on a pedestal.


raasnokh

I had a debate about this with a guy in r/saudiarabia he denied people where treated badly in Saudi meanwhile he also said that you can’t compare people from poor countries vs white people. basically those white people are working as partners vs poor people doing hard labor and they deserve what they get. Anyways, In my opinion, the saudis treat pakistani like pakistanis treat their help and those chura people and Patans kids and beggars. by which i mean some pakistanis have good hearts vs others not so good and treat the miskeen poorly.


NotYourAverageIQ

Can i get a link to that debate please, i want to shame him if what youre saying is not a lie (which it probably is)


raasnokh

Look for me in the thread talking to Ham https://www.reddit.com/r/saudiarabia/comments/q36nzi/this_is_what_happens_when_i_try_defend_saudi_in/?


motive-7805

You just found out ? It’s hypocritical to call just them hypocrites though . We persecute our own minorities and cry about Islamophobia in the West. We blame rape incidents on inappropriate dress code of the victim yet most males in Pakistan watch porn. We criticise Israel for persecuting Palestine but worship China who are also persecuting an Islamic minority. Islamic values have been dead for ages. All that exists now is extremism and hypocrisy. Pakistan is full of racism and discrimination against ahmadiyyas, Hindus , Christians , Indians , Afghans and even dark skinned people


X2WE

uff Iranians in the west.. man straight up enemies of islam lmao and yes they had brown skin


X2WE

Maghrib ( Norther african ) muslims are okay


weseire

Yeah, my Uncle worked in Saudi Arabia, and had nothing good to say about how he was treated. He was lucky he worked for a Japanese company, and they helped him get out of some tough spots.


chuchuchuchuchacha

Most of the Arabs think Pakistanis are beneath them. Think of it this way. Pakistani men go abroad and often marry into the country they live in. Seen Pakistanis American, Japanese, Russian etc wives. Very common, even in unskilled labour. Got more men living in the gulf states. Apart from an anectodal story, they keep the men away from their society with a pole.


KunnFayyaKunn

>Very common, even in unskilled labou Someone has obviously never lived in China, Korea or Japan, where there are a lot of Desi unskiled workers treated like crap, even worse than in Arab countries.


payasa-kawa

Well most of them have rules that if a girl marries a foreigner her children won't inherit the nationality. That just makes it impossible to happen. Men won't be getting nationality also so girls are worried if they get divorced in future either she will have to move to Pakistan or say goodbye to her kids. Pretty good strategy lol


X2WE

arabs women used to marry the south asians before the oil wealth and vice versa. good port of the arab people in uae have pakistani lineage


thelastkopite

Only oil rich Arabs. Not the case with Egyptians, Palestinian, Moroccan etc


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thelastkopite

My college professor for Arabic was Egyptian.


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thelastkopite

Your mother gave you great training.


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thelastkopite

Pakistani/American Education.


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thelastkopite

You got knock off one shows in your behaviour.


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thelastkopite

Plenty of Arab kids in my neighbourhood. My steady mutual partner is Egyptian.


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thelastkopite

Yes in NY. One of my uncle is married to Moraccon lady.


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Strider96

Honestly, I’m sorry about your loss but you’re being way too sensitive & need to grieve properly because you’re still not over it. Arabs are lovely people - do they have a superiority complex? Sure. But a lot of times that superiority comes from a class pov - they see South Asians & Africans as poor. Which if you go by statistics we are - even the GDP per Capita of Syria is higher than Pak, India, Bangladesh. Secondly, when it comes to religion. A lot of them think sub-continent Muslims are very strict. That’s it - very minor issues. As our South Asia becomes wealthier - their respect will go up.


thelastkopite

Why were they kicked out? We’re they breaking law?


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thelastkopite

I think you do not understand mutual.


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thelastkopite

You are what you claim others to be.


KunnFayyaKunn

Maybe find better friends instead of being a racist POS? Then again, birds of a feather....


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KunnFayyaKunn

Looking at your comments on this whole post, it's no wonder you consider him your friend. I live in the states, plenty of Pakistani/Arab marriages going on here with no one being a dick about it.


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Jobeen123

I have observed the same.


LittleLionMan82

I don't think Arabs in the West have this same problem. We share the same masajids, without issues.


express--horror

Lol I met a dark skinned Saudi at my uni. I asked if he was Indian and boy did that pissed him off. Poor guy went on a 10min rant that he's an arab and never to confuse his ethnicity with an Indian. They're pretty obsessed with skin color just like us south asians. So yeah, fob Saudis ain't any better than their counterparts.


GullibleAirport732

Tbh I'd be offended at that too lol. Arabs are pretty serious about their lineage, it was probably more about that than the skin color.


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NotYourAverageIQ

Lmao it looks like youre the racist one


GullibleAirport732

Look man, I'll be honest, you're not any better either, by calling him a desert dweller.


thelastkopite

Most of those Arabs are from non oil rich countries like Egypt, Palestine, Morocco etc They are economic migrant like most of us.


LittleLionMan82

I've met many Saudi students as well and they're usually fine too.


nullsleeps

well not all arabs are like that I'm an arab and I am not racist towards pakistanies


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weirdassman

Nobody outside Muslim world even knows about golden age. It's not like renaissance that people know there was substantial development. And most of Golden age scientists and inventers were Persians or from the Persian culture (tajik/Uzbek)


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weirdassman

Golden age and Madine ki riyasat is nothing but coping mechanism for Muslims who feel they are now being attacked for being unproductive/lazy/primitive/barbaric. We should go beyond these shitty concepts and develop scientific temperament. Also how can Arabs be so proud of some age when they were not even the main contributer to that age. It's like Spanish claiming renaissance when Italian contribution is clearly much higher


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x3r0x_x3n0n

>Arabs are proud because some of them do claim to be the "original" Muslims Oh thats very shady behaviour im getting some nazi vibes from this statement.


SuperSultan

They did this before, during, and after the time of the prophet pbuh


Aggressive_Koala_121

Ever since race is racist, it's up to the individual to build their credibility and personality beyond the mere stereotypes. There are many Pakistanis overseas in the Middle East who command tons of respect.


KunnFayyaKunn

I don't think Pakistanis are in any situation to talk about racism considering the sort of stuff said behind closed doors about black people, lol., especially in the US. Maybe stop using your own shitty interacions and projecting it upon millions of others, mmkay?


sicker_than_most

They aren’t even well versed in the religion, they just speak Arabic this is why we give them so much importance that they might/could be able to end oppression against Muslims that come from third world or sanctioned places. The reality is far far scary, They not only don’t follow the religion anymore they themselves have become the oppressors, they earn their money off of stealing hardworking peoples wages, their life styles are so extravagant and downright ridiculous it actually makes me sad to see them in such materialistic and westernised way.


Schawaka

Im a Saudi, and you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about or have never visited the country


sicker_than_most

I’m talking about the modernisation effect, absolutely you are right because it’s widespread in some places whereas some part of population avoids it the best they can. I apologise it wasn’t meant for general population but the higher / richer , asset class , that hires people and own all the important buildings. Again my perspective could be vastly different from where you are coming from.


missbushido

I suppose everyone has had different experiences. I've lived 26 years in Saudi Arabia and hardly faced discrimination by the Arabs. Most of them were always warm and friendly towards me.


payasa-kawa

Happens at work places. They talk shit about employees and make rules to control them as a they want but treat weterners as gods. Ask your parents or anyone who had a job.


missbushido

I worked with Saudis and other Arabs for 6 years, and had some great experiences with them.


payasa-kawa

Maybe being a woman you had different experience. I have worked in gulf and many friends still do. It's my first hand experience. There's no point for Western people to come and work there if they were paid the same as Pakistani people. Government and army jobs are okay but private is not.


missbushido

Besides the difference in salary, what other types of discrimination did you face in the Gulf?


payasa-kawa

Well isn't that enough proof of discrimination? Talking with us in different manners and bad treatment in comparison is 100% guaranteed if they think less of us at first place. - My western colleagues were earning double than me - locals were earning even more than that - a local college graduate was made our department head who had no experience whatsoever and we had to report him because he was somehow better than us even though he knew shit - there were many openings in company that specified nationality. Driver indian, maid filipina - getting into bars/clubs was another issue, white People had no problem, dubai/bahrain - they would cut lines like Asians are some animals - A guy from UK told us how they talk about Indian/Pakistanis behind our backs and he was worried he would become like them if he kept working there. There was always a general air of superiority when dealing with us. And don't even get me started on police and government offices. I don't know why you haven't experienced it having lived and worked there for so long. Have you never met a Filipino maid/driver there? That reminds me of some indians and filipinos who don't even recognize that this is happening with them because all they care about is salary...


missbushido

>There was always a general air of superiority when dealing with us. And don't even get me started on police and government offices. I don't know why you haven't experienced it having lived and worked there for so long. Have you never met a Filipino maid/driver there? I'm not denying racism and discrimination doesn't exist in the Gulf at a government or institutional level, it definitely does. Considering the fact I went to an international school with people of all nationalities (Arabs, Africans, Whites, Desis, Asians etc), lived in compound and was never employed by a company, I was probably exposed to a very different type of environment. I worked in a Saudi school that was run by a very powerful lady (OBL's older sister), and most of my bosses, co-workers and students were Saudis or Arabs. I understand my experiences may have been very unique but I received much more respect and appreciation by them than by the people here in Pakistan. I was earning a shit-load of money in Jeddah (for an elementary level teacher). I was able to develop long-lasting friendships which continue to this day (My best friend of 10+ years is Saudi).


payasa-kawa

I see but you are looking at it from a different perspective and comparison with Pakistan doesn't make sense. You might have had bad luck with your employer in Pakistan. Your individual experience sounds great but overall it's really really bad. Having a one or even 7 Saudi freinds isn't gonna change the fact how they think about us a whole :)


missbushido

>Your individual experience sounds great but overall it's really really bad. I know this doesn't amount to much, but most Desis I know who lived in Jeddah have had similar experiences as me.


payasa-kawa

Could be. But this thread doesn't agree :p


Ramo-98

I've never been to the gulf but from what I've heard the discrimination Desis go through there is famous


missbushido

I am speaking based on my personal experiences, but I have faced more discrimination and exploitation in Pakistan.


thelastkopite

Did they give you Saudi citizenship?


payasa-kawa

We don't talk about that here...


chuchuchuchuchacha

You can live there a 100 years and still not get it.


thelastkopite

My uncle lived in SA 40+ years only retired few years ago returned to Pakistan with his children who were born in SA. I took Arabic in college to fulfil my foreign language requirement. My professor and fellow students were from Egypt, Palestine, Syria etc and everyone hated SA.


missbushido

I do not want a Saudi citizenship.


thelastkopite

Yeah right.


missbushido

As if Pakistanis are not racists. My non-Pakistani father was rejected a POC even after living here for 7 years.


thelastkopite

What are you? Afghan?


missbushido

No, we are Bihari.


thelastkopite

Which passport you use?


missbushido

I have a Pakistani one, dad has a Bangladeshi passport.


thelastkopite

Can you not sponsor your dad to get Pakistani or he sponsor you to get Bangladeshi? You paying the price for fall of Dhaka.


NotYourAverageIQ

Oil countries dont give citizenships because everyone wants them for government benefits funded by the finite oil, if we started handing out citizenships we would be dirt poor and overpopulated. We gave citizenships up until 50-60s cause thats when oil started generating real profits and we built the country back from scratch


thelastkopite

You have slavery legal too until 1963.


NotYourAverageIQ

Not even my mother was born at that time, its two/three generations ago, idk whats your point. Besides slavery was very rare, only rich princes and businessmen had any


napitoff1

they literally have laws that say if you marry a non GCC foreigner your children doesn't get citizenship, but only for women This is why Pakistanis and desis are so pathetic and disrespected. You have no SELF RESPECT "oh yes qaleelan, akramun, persian poetry bla bla bla i am muslim first" Never feed a middle easterner's ego


napitoff1

The most 'woke' pro lgbt etc bints here in the West are white passing middle eastern women....we know how 'woke' they are with yazidi sex slaves, black slave markets in libya, south asians slaves in the GCC Trashy women too. 1/4 rate at least outmarrying kaffirs in the US.


weirdassman

Reason: we are cheap labor/servents in Saudi. I met some Arabs as students in china and they were nice and yesterday had a nice friendship with an Arab I met in subway in Europe. He was Moroccan and we came out of the subway and roamed around the city center. It was nice and he was extremely respectful. We talk about many things and one of our conversation was how we both hate Islam and almost everything related to it. Truth be told it was like a bonding thing. So maybe except for the places where they immediately see us as thier servents like gulf, in other places they are ok with us.


Skywalker-Grogu

You need help


babasardine

Not all arabs , I have many arab friends of different cultures and I were to generalize mstly the saudis and qataris look down (and lamo they can get fucked), the rest are really chill especially lebanese and egyptians (misr)


Scary_XXX_6

Arabs aren't more closer to god they indulged in non islamic activities and so Allah took the leadership of islam away from them now they are proud of over this oil reserves we will see what happens to them without it


Watchmedeadlift

“Most of them are racist” in itself is a racist thing to say


x3r0x_x3n0n

What if it was a statistic like 96% of people polled in saudia arabia think south asian races are undesirable? Are facts racist too?


Watchmedeadlift

Of course not, facts are objective, but conducting such a pole is near impossible to begin with


x3r0x_x3n0n

>impossible Its pretty easy.


vtyzy

I grew up in Saudi Arabia. There is nothing special about the Saudis and they are do not like so many foreigners in their land - they think all the foreign workers are sending money back home and that money should be going to their countrymen instead. It is a stupid view because 1. they pay the foreigners less money than if the Saudi did the same job and 2. the reason they hired foreigners is because Saudis can't (too complex) or won't (e.g. labour) do those jobs. Anyway, many of them are racist (sad), just like people in other countries that have a lot of foreigners, they don't like it. At the same time, the people coming into Saudi Arabia have inflated expectations. They think that because it is the holy land and they are Muslims, they will get good treatment from their Arab "brothers". The Arabs don't care and don't want them there. I'll also add that this is not specific to Arabs nor do they especially hate Pakistanis. Any country that has a large percentage of foreigners will become unfriendly. When I lived there, about 25% of the population was foreigners. I'm sure if Pakistan had 25% of a mix of outsiders, the Pakistani people would not be friendly to them either.


Paisz_18

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Saudis are racist toward Saudis.


Good_as_any

They are raised by maids who are often abused by their employers. So they think all foreigners are poor and are receptive to exploitation. Govt and police even the judicial system is tilted towards locals. If the foreign domestic maid culture is changed a profound effect will be seen in the younger generation.


asimthemlgpro

I once had a convo with my Dad about this, since he spent a combined 45 years in the Middle east (Oman, UAE, and KSA) He said that he rarely had to deal with it because he learnt Arabic quickly. A lot of Arabs hate Pakistanis because they say these Pakistanis claim to be Muslim and are able to read the Quran, yet they can't understand anything they are reciting. It's a facade in their eyes. Not that I agree with this kind of thinking, but that's just what I was told.


X2WE

funny thing is that many royal family children cant speak arabic and speak english only thanks to their foreign education


asimthemlgpro

Yeah that sounds about right. I've got Saudi national friends that struggle with Arabic themselves. First time I heard them I thought they were joking lol. It's like diaspora Pakistani kids having issues with Urdu


X2WE

its worse. They didnt have the same colonial issues like the south asians did. The British designed every facet of modern education and clerkmanship in offices. GCC arabs have no excuse


Ramo-98

Ironically I think Pakistanis are more religous than them on average


NotYourAverageIQ

We dont hate pakistanis dude, ive never heard of any saudi that hated pakistanis


SpacevsGravity

Arabs are Muslims in name only


Skywalker-Grogu

Pakistanis need to learn Arabic when they go to these countries